Well, I'm confused but let's start with some data:

Votes

Issac Osborne ( TheLazyChicken): Melinda Fox

Emily Goodwin ( Dragonfire) : Greg Kennedy

Warren Thompson (Lego3364) : Emily Goodwin

Adam Powers (jluckhaupt) : Melinda Fox

Greg Kennedy ( Lego Spy) : Melinda Fox

Willie Spencer ( Tohst ): Melinda Fox

Melinda Fox ( Xenophobic Monoxide): Greg Kennedy

Emma Lane ( vampyre78) :Adam Powers

Fred Rhodes (Adventurer1): Emma Lane

Jeff Yates( Getdamonkey ) : Willie Spencer

Timothy Daniels ( Calanon) : Adam Powers

Jordan Foster( Comrade Commander): Adam Powers

Names in Green are known loyalists (Town). Names in red are known purists...oh wait...crud.

The two things this tells me is Adam almost got lynched despite the bandwagon backing off of him and two known town people voted for Greg

Please let me know if I messed up any of the votes.

This is a great idea as it provides a great graphical representation of what transpired.

My inital thoughts were that the scum are most likely to work together right?

So looking at that, we see that the following people all voted the same people

1.) Isaac, Adam, Greg, Willie

2.) Emma, Timothy, Jordan [myself]

3.) Melinda, Emily (both dead/confirmed good)

I would assume not all those people in one group are bad because they would need at least one good person to make the scapegoat, but it could all be bad people.

The first group would seem suspicious to me because it contained some people who jumped from one bandwagon to another, but it also has Isaac who we know is good. Adam was the focus of the intial bandwagon, so there is two thoughts. one, is that he is scum and the scum bandwagoned against him in the first day to cover their trails and then jumped ship when they had the chance, or two, he is innocent. I am more apt to believe he is innocent.

As for the second group, well obvioulsly I am biased but I also think that because they were part of the inital bandwagon, if they were scum they would have left to cover their trails as well. I stated my reasoning for voting the way I did on the first day, the others just jumped on board.

So those are my thoughts, but really they are only thoughts. I am leaning toward voting greg as a semi-guess but it is a pretty thin lead

Here's Isaac's posts from yesterday:

Yeah, I think that so because there was no gun or no knife or something like that. Even though I am wondering how someone can get killed with a datapad, must be someone with strong hands or strength. Unless the killer hit them on the head, but it looks like its the back.

I guess the spear could be the datapad?

I have a question, if we don't vote, will we get a penalty? So far, no one looks scummy and I don't want to vote off a town member.

You do make a very good point and that is probably true since she has mostly talked about killing.

I have another question;

Can we only unvote once? I have seen other Mafia Games that only let you unvote once. I just want to make sure.

Oh, ok! Thanks!

Sorry if I haven't talked a lot but some of us have work to do during the day and don't have time to log on every hour.

Excactly. On other forums I read, the person who talks a lot is sometimes scum.

Right now I don't really know anyone who is acting scummy. I will keep my eyes open to see if anyone who seems talkative says something unusual...

Too quiet is not always the case. Too talkative isn't either, even though sometimes it is. Wanting to kill scum, wouldn't that be the serial killer? Even though we don't have a neutral here I think. Too loud? I don't really understand what you mean by that.

I am not trying to sound harsh but what I think is scum is someone who is suspicious and starts a suspicion of someone near the begining of the day or the game.

Yep me too. Just like someone said here too, I think we have found a suspect.

Neither do I, sorry.

Vote: Adam Powers (jluckhaupt)

Ok, now that is suspicious. I think I may change my vote. That sounds really wierd also.

Well after reading everything all over again I think I might change my vote.

Unvote: Adam Powers (jluckhaupt)

Also this is to you Emily,

Duh, town wants to kill scum too, if not what would be the point of this game? We have to eliminate scum too, don't we?

Sorry, if I am sounding mean or harsh but that is basically the truth.

I bandwagoned Adam because people were talking of how he could be scum and we had to vote anyways so I thought of voting him off. Then somone made a good point of the possibility of being scum but then you started talking of how Adam could be townand decided that was probably true, so I decided to unvote him because of what you said. So it made sense to unvote for him. I was just confused with everyone thinking different ideas of who was scum. I hope you understand what happened there.

I think I said this already, but now I don't know who to vote for.

Adam is probably town.

Emily doesn't seem like scum because she looks like she is serious about this, I mean really serious. She also gave some good explanations about things so far, even though I don't agree with some of her statements.

These are just my thoughts so far about the people I thought were scum before.

I will probably mess up but this does make sense. Also Melinda was suspecting that Emily was a vigilante, even if she was then why would she reveal it to everyone? So she could be trying to help scum.

Vote: Melinda Fox (Xenophobic Monoxide)

I know I will probably be wrong, but who knows?

I think I got them all. Someone may want to double check.

Wow, Isaac's posts seemed very...tame. He clearly was friends with Emily, who seemed to have a measure of influence on the game, but he wasn't really adimate about any position. Who would have felt threatened by his and Emily's presence? The scum had to be looking for some advantage by eliminating them.

Been thinking through everything and Emma seems kinda fishy to me too.

I already have made the case as to why not talking much is not an indication of being scum, since even I have to study from time to time, but the logs show she has been active (profile shows she was on since day started)

Also, if I recall, she wasn't very vocal yesterday either. In fact, I believe she spoke up seven times. Twice to call out quiet people (ironicaly), once to jump on a bandwagon, once to emphasise her vote so it counted, and the rest were more just jibber jabber.

She has been active just enough to stay on the radar, hasn't made any remarks that would point fingers at her, and taken effort to make others appear scummy.

Finally, she falls under the second grouping of people I listed above. Her and Timothy could have jumped on the bandwagon in an effort to sway the vote, and then stayed in an effort not to get labeled flip-floppers.

Just a lead, I might be over thinking...

Been thinking through everything and Emma seems kinda fishy to me too.

I already have made the case as to why not talking much is not an indication of being scum, since even I have to study from time to time, but the logs show she has been active (profile shows she was on since day started)

Also, if I recall, she wasn't very vocal yesterday either. In fact, I believe she spoke up seven times. Twice to call out quiet people (ironicaly), once to jump on a bandwagon, once to emphasise her vote so it counted, and the rest were more just jibber jabber.

She has been active just enough to stay on the radar, hasn't made any remarks that would point fingers at her, and taken effort to make others appear scummy.

Finally, she falls under the second grouping of people I listed above. Her and Timothy could have jumped on the bandwagon in an effort to sway the vote, and then stayed in an effort not to get labeled flip-floppers.

Just a lead, I might be over thinking...

That does sound scummy.. If that is even a word.

Given the banality of Isaac's posts from yesterday, it's likely that what caused the action against him was the result of something that was said via PM. Does anyone have any information on who he was talking to?

Given the banality of Isaac's posts from yesterday, it's likely that what caused the action against him was the result of something that was said via PM. Does anyone have any information on who he was talking to?

I might be confused but I don't think we're supposed to PM are we?

I might be confused but I don't think we're supposed to PM are we?

We're allowed to.

6) You are encouraged to role-play in this game. I've provided a bare-bones role for you to flesh out if you wish. With that being said, please do not post out of character in the game thread. You may PM other players, but do so at your own risk.

My thoughts are that Emily was eliminated because she was always suspecting of everyone and everything. She must have discovered something important. Maybe Issac found out something too or he was taken out to reduce our numbers because he would have voted with a majority.

We're allowed to.

Gotcha, good to know!

I wonder what roles the town has? Some of them could be awfully useful about now. Because I don't have a good feel for the rest of the group.

I wonder what roles the town has? Some of them could be awfully useful about now. Because I don't have a good feel for the rest of the group.

I think you're going to be in suspense since answering you is a terrible idea.

Looking back over the vote results, Warren was the only who voted for Emily, while no one voted for Isaac. Clearly, the scum decided on their targets after the day ended. Isaac also voted for Melinda and they are both dead now.

I think you're going to be in suspense since answering you is a terrible idea.

I'm more thinking along the lines of what other games have had and what we might have. Notice, I purposefully didn't say 'Hey, tell me your roles!'. Just trying to make sense of day 1.

Also...its really quiet in here.

It has gotten quite, I wonder if everyone has retreated to the dorms for the night. I may head to the library and do a little research. There has to be a pattern...

What a terrible 24 hours! First the Admiral, then poor Melinda, and now Isaac and Emily!!

It's very hard to find a pattern between the three poor souls we have lost. Melinda and Emily were both very vocal in day one and accused a number of players between them before voting closed. The only pattern they left us is that they both voted for Greg.

The only real evidence Isaac left behind relates to the confusion over Emily accusing Jordan, where he had become suspicious over the editing of the quotes. Not really much for us to work with.

I think the med students need to pass out super strength no doze to everyone tonight!

Think I found who Isaac was talking to. Watch the timestamps on the votes.

First on the votes for Adam. Here, Isaac was used to bring the voting against Adam to full bandwagon status.

I'm sorry Adam, but I don't see any other choice.

Vote: Adam Powers (jluckhaupt)

Neither do I, sorry.

Vote: Adam Powers (jluckhaupt)

Next, Isaac is used to help push the votes for Melinda from one to 3. This was sufficient, it only took one more vote (from Adam) to get her lynched.

I'm running out of time, so I'm just going to make a vote:

Vote: Melinda Fox (Xenophobic Monoxide)

I will probably mess up but this does make sense. Also Melinda was suspecting that Emily was a vigilante, even if she was then why would she reveal it to everyone? So she could be trying to help scum.

Vote: Melinda Fox (Xenophobic Monoxide)

I know I will probably be wrong, but who knows?

I think this is the most solid evidence we've had thus far.

Vote: Greg Kennedy (Lego Spy)

Jeff, those conversations are really close to each other. But I am confused as to how you think they were working together. Isaac was town. If he was scum, I would say it was scum coordination but I doubt a town and a scum were talking together since it would seem like a big risk. But am I missing something else?

[snip]

I think this is the most solid evidence we've had thus far.

Vote: Greg Kennedy (Lego Spy)

Just wondering, why are you voting for Greg? He didn't start the first bandwagon, and the second bandwagon he was the second person to vote for Melinda. (Willie being the first.) So why are you voting against him? He just saw facts and thought they were good, solid facts, and when better facts came along he decided to change his vote. That doesn't sound very scummy to me.

Vote: Greg Kennedy (Lego Spy)

As a note, voting has not opened yet and it will not be open for about two more hours.

Since the only motivation that can be confirmed by any of us is our own, i've had another look at the voting list from day one. This is just what I have observed so far...

Isaac we know was a loyal student. Initially he jumped on the bandwagon for Adam (as did I), but then he was swayed to vote for Melinda later on. This left three votes on Adam, and I know that even after the bandwagon started on Melinda, I wasn't convinced there was anything solid behind it and didn't change my vote. I can't comment on Timothy and Jordan's motivations.

The next oddity on the list becomes Melinda's votes. Knowing that Isaac was loyal, this leaves Adam, Greg and Willie who voted for Melinda, enough to get her lynched.

All the rest of the votes (Jeff, Fred and Warren) were in no way co-ordinated with the rest.

Jeff, those conversations are really close to each other. But I am confused as to how you think they were working together. Isaac was town. If he was scum, I would say it was scum coordination but I doubt a town and a scum were talking together since it would seem like a big risk. But am I missing something else?

It's the votes not the conversations. Both pairs of votes come at pretty key points. They build momentum against Adam and move Melinda from one vote to a solid lynching candidate.

I'll need to confirm but I don't think Isaac voted without Greg.

Bandwagons - We've seen pretty clearly that Bandwagons are more a matter of momentum rather than who cast the first vote. Two quick votes can easily give the appearance of votes rushing to a player given our relatively small numbers.

PM's - It's completely plausible that Isaac was conversing with Greg under the the assumption that Greg is town. Scum have a HUGE information advantage in that they all know each other. Regardless of how the conversation started. There's a lot of incentive for the Scum player to continue the exchange since he essentially has an unmonitored channel with which to influence the game.

Since we have more information to act on now, it would behoove everyone to explain their votes. A simple "I agree" or a random pick is a pretty bad idea at this point.

Because we can unvote as many times as we like, there's really no cost to voting (other than a loss of credibility if you're constantly switching) until the end of the day when they are tallied.

Why are random votes bad? Town still presumably outnumbers scum. A random pick hurts town because it is more likely to fall on town than scum.

Why is "I agree" bad? "I agree" contributes a minimum amount of information which is something that town is still at a severe deficit of (since we're not sure of who is town v scum and scum has that information). Talking through your vote with the group slows down potential bandwagons and helps get information out there.

We need to explain our votes! Most information is still good information but that proportion is a little bit lower than it was yesterday since scum are now a higher portion of our number. If you have alternative scenarios to what is currently out there state them. The more we talk, the more likely we are to root out scum so let's get to talking.

[snip]

We need to explain our votes! Most information is still good information but that proportion is a little bit lower than it was yesterday since scum are now a higher portion of our number. If you have alternative scenarios to what is currently out there state them. The more we talk, the more likely we are to root out scum so let's get to talking.

I think I explained my vote last time. Did you think my explanation was a good one? Did it make sensne?

I think I explained my vote last time. Did you think my explanation was a good one? Did it make sensne?

"Sense" Crap, I hate not being able to edit my post.

"What, no clever interlude?" Harper asked.

"I couldn't think of anything. I'll try one later today."

"It's only Day Two and you're getting lazy."

"That's not true. Hey, wait a second. I outrank you. Why are you sassing me?"

"Sorry, sir."

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You may now vote!

Lesson Four - The Difference Between Roleplaying and Nonsense

There's a fine line in these games between roleplaying and just posting for the sense of posting and claiming that it's a character roleplay. Roleplay isn't the most important thing when it comes to these games, and sometimes it's abandoned entirely when things come down to the wire. However, usually on the first few days, roleplaying can add to the game wonderfully, making it a better experience. Also, be conscious of your time period. Since this game takes place in the future, we can reference pretty much anything that's happened in the past. However, if this game was taking place in 1930's Prohibition time, then we wouldn't have the Internet to look things up.

Please also don't overdo your roleplay. Remember, the point of this game is to win, no matter what team you're on. If you're scum and you are roleplaying yourself off as a combative guy, chances are you might be lynched. Know when to use your roleplay and know when it's acceptable not to use it.

Also, funky accents added to your character can either be a detriment or a good thing, depending.