Which Themes Deserve a Reboot?

[Aanchir]

18 hours ago, pooda said:

Well tbh, you can in a way say that same thing about today's Lego City. Though the focus is not only on heavily on emergency, but also science. I mean.....Yes, the kiddies and the subject of danger and crime have a good relationship.

But.....I would like to see a year when Lego focuses only on civilian based sets for City like the doughnut shop opening, or the capital or the bus station. City has proven get success with sets like these. Why do you think they keep making them?  

I doubt we'd ever see a year focused ONLY on civilian-based sets. In general, LEGO tries to maintain a certain amount of variety to ensure that kids can find something they like whether they're into high-stakes action, adventure and discovery, or slice-of-life scenarios.

We'll definitely continue seeing these sets, but I doubt we'd see LEGO go a whole year without any of the sort of emergency services and scientific exploration focused City subthemes that we've seen so often in recent years. After all, those have proven to be major successes for the City theme as well, and LEGO usually has five or six subthemes a year, so it's not like they're ever likely to go a year where they can't make room for that type of stuff AND for more civilian-focused sets.

16 hours ago, pooda said:

These guys that I speak of don't just defend the current state of City. But they will also disappoint you and crush your hopes and dreams when it comes to non-police or non-explorers subthemes that you want to see in City. They claim that they aren't doing any harm, when in fact they are deliberately doing it. I really would suggest that you not follow in their footsteps.

I call these the City Apologists Corp.

Making up disparaging nicknames for people who disagree with you doesn't make your points any more convincing. You might believe that exploration or police subthemes are causing some kind of harm, but you haven't provided any kind of evidence for it other than your personal feelings.

The fact that I disagree with your feelings doesn't mean I want you to feel hopeless or unhappy, just as your disagreement with fans of City police or exploration subthemes doesn't mean you want THEM to feel hopeless or unhappy. Nobody is trying to crush anyone's hopes and dreams here. Plenty of the types of sets and subthemes you've suggested sound like they'd be great for the City theme — I just don't personally believe that any current subthemes need to go away for the sort of sets you want to become reality, nor do I believe that getting rid of existing subthemes would make those dreams come true any sooner.

[TeriXeri]

Ok back on original topic:

Castle

Hopefully back to simpler days, and preferably focused on Castle buildings and horses, possibly fantasy but no huge pre-molded bigfigs.

Also possibly some less war-like sets like a Knights Joust , King's Feast, or Medieval Market/Blacksmith.

Space

Designs based off the older 80s and 90s, with angled bricks/windscreens and exposed studs, in a more traditional color scheme, possibly bringing back neon colors.

At least some sets with terrain or buildings as well.

Aquazone 

- Lightbrick on a Deep-Sea vehicle

- Updated grabber arms using more modern parts.

- At least 1 underwater base.

- Terrain with some rocks/plants, or a "cavern entrance" set , possibly shark/sawfish/octopus/dolphin (new colors) or entirely new animals, or reuse of the "Friends" underwater decoration.

Items to collect : 

- Gold nuggets (or recolors)

- Geodes (seen in 2019 space, possibly new colors as well)

- Crystals like the old ones, maybe in a more recently used painted silver instead of chrome.

 

 

Edited October 31, 2019 by TeriXeri

[MAB]

37 minutes ago, pooda said:

Very true! But you can't deliberately crush another's hopes and dreams for Lego.

I don't really understand why you need to use the rather pointed word deliberate here. For example, I think LEGO should not make only civilian sets within City, with no police, emergency or explorer style themed sets,  not because I deliberately want to crush your dreams of  having only civilian sets within City. It is not to deliberately crush your ideas, it is because doing so would be a huge shake up for City. It would be losing a large proportion of the proven City sales and trying to replace those sales with something that they already doing within City and so would either need to bring in many new customers for City, or convert those mainly boys wanting police to wanting buses or shops, or sell much more similar products to the people already buying civilian City sets.

Plus if others cannot crush your dreams, why should you crush the hopes of the kids wanting to have LEGO fire and police and the helicopters and trucks of the explorer type sets, as when they are gone from the shelves for a year and replaced with shops and buses, then they have nothing to buy. Which is why a balance across emergency, other sub-themes, civilian based sets and all this across sizes / price points too works for City. It offers some choice to many customers rather than lots of choice to a few.

[The Island Chronicles]

13 hours ago, Aanchir said:

We'll definitely continue seeing these sets, but I doubt we'd see LEGO go a whole year without any of the sort of emergency services and scientific exploration focused City subthemes that we've seen so often in recent years. After all, those have proven to be major successes for the City theme as well, and LEGO usually has five or six subthemes a year, so it's not like they're ever likely to go a year where they can't make room for that type of stuff AND for more civilian-focused sets.

Unfortunately, this year - City only did four subthemes this year; Fire (which was my favorite), Space (my second favorite), Sky Police and Great Vehicles. Though I guess we can really just count great vehicles out since that's just a line of standalone vehicles (I actually prefer it that way tbh) and Sky Police is basically an extension to the classic police if you take its livery into consideration. But I think six should be the limit and minimum for subthemes. Along with some side sets that is. 

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Making up disparaging nicknames for people who disagree with you doesn't make your points any more convincing. You might believe that exploration or police subthemes are causing some kind of harm, but you haven't provided any kind of evidence for it other than your personal feelings.

I don't believe they're harmful. I guess I just tend to see more of those than anything else. 

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The fact that I disagree with your feelings doesn't mean I want you to feel hopeless or unhappy, just as your disagreement with fans of City police or exploration subthemes doesn't mean you want THEM to feel hopeless or unhappy. Nobody is trying to crush anyone's hopes and dreams here. Plenty of the types of sets and subthemes you've suggested sound like they'd be great for the City theme — I just don't personally believe that any current subthemes need to go away for the sort of sets you want to become reality, nor do I believe that getting rid of existing subthemes would make those dreams come true any sooner.

Well I'm glad to hear that. 

13 hours ago, MAB said:

I don't really understand why you need to use the rather pointed word deliberate here. For example, I think LEGO should not make only civilian sets within City, with no police, emergency or explorer style themed sets,  not because I deliberately want to crush your dreams of  having only civilian sets within City. It is not to deliberately crush your ideas, it is because doing so would be a huge shake up for City. It would be losing a large proportion of the proven City sales and trying to replace those sales with something that they already doing within City and so would either need to bring in many new customers for City, or convert those mainly boys wanting police to wanting buses or shops, or sell much more similar products to the people already buying civilian City sets.

Plus if others cannot crush your dreams, why should you crush the hopes of the kids wanting to have LEGO fire and police and the helicopters and trucks of the explorer type sets, as when they are gone from the shelves for a year and replaced with shops and buses, then they have nothing to buy. Which is why a balance across emergency, other sub-themes, civilian based sets and all this across sizes / price points too works for City. It offers some choice to many customers rather than lots of choice to a few.

I'm not crushing their dreams. I never said I didn't want to see them at all. I just said for one year, I'd like to see sets that don't involve cops, robbers, firefighters or explorers. If you look at some of my other statements around this forum, you'll see that I actually like the fire sets. I also love the regular police that comes around every three years. I'm not crushing anyone's dreams. Its you guys crushing mine - which is to see a year where other lines of work get put out there other than just rescuers or scientists. 

Edited November 1, 2019 by pooda

[TeriXeri]

24 minutes ago, Aanchir said:

The fact that I disagree with your feelings doesn't mean I want you to feel hopeless or unhappy, just as your disagreement with fans of City police or exploration subthemes doesn't mean you want THEM to feel hopeless or unhappy. Nobody is trying to crush anyone's hopes and dreams here. Plenty of the types of sets and subthemes you've suggested sound like they'd be great for the City theme — I just don't personally believe that any current subthemes need to go away for the sort of sets you want to become reality, nor do I believe that getting rid of existing subthemes would make those dreams come true any sooner.

That's how I feel it is as well, you just worded it better 

 

And even someone could swoop in and say to me "Oh you want Aquazone reboot, but 2019 had Friends underwater and 3-in-1 underwater Robot/Deepsea Creatures" , true, but I can see how a reaction like could come across as negatively, possibly even if it's not meant as such. 

Edited October 31, 2019 by TeriXeri

[MAB]

4 minutes ago, pooda said:

Unfortunately, this year - City only did four subthemes this year; Fire (which was my favorite), Space (my second favorite), Sky Police and Great Vehicles.

Why are named subthemes so important? After all, City has also done these four substantial sets this year that you are ignoring in the list of themes:

Brickset labels these four as Town, bricklink in a different way as food and drink, recreation, traffic, etc. But what does it matter whether they have a label on them saying "SPECIFIC SUBTHEME".  LEGO could easily have tagged them in some meaningless way such as "everyday life". Does that suddenly make them worth considering? They are still civilian sets within CITY. Are they any less of a set than say this one, that in some places of catalogues or websites has a tag on it to group it with other vehicles?

 

[Asajki]

19 hours ago, Aanchir said:

Anyway, I agree that World City isn't all that great in hindsight. Most of its strongest attributes were how it began introducing more modern and streamlined vehicles and more detailed figure designs than had been the norm in the Town theme, and all of that is stuff that LEGO City has continued to improve on since then.

Also, I feel like World City had an even more excessive focus on emergency services than City does, with hardly any civilian-focused sets or subthemes. What's more, its police minifigure and vehicle designs felt more aggressive, militaristic, and invasive than I'm really comfortable with, considering that in the United States and many other countries, the militarization of police departments is a real and often deadly problem. I mean, 7035 looks downright terrifying compared to pretty much any City police station, particularly with a "police ATV" that resembles a tank.

There's definitely stuff in the past that LEGO could use as inspiration for the future of the City theme, but the World City theme didn't have a whole lot of great examples IMO.

Agreed! I did the math and world city and city had the same percent of police, sometimes we get a scowling police man but they never really look villainous 

And that World City Police Helicopter is utter garbage, it’s up there with the roofless police car, tank like police ‘ATV’ and oversized Police Truck (I don’t like calling Lego oversized but that thing is too big, massive cranes and dump trucks exist but I’ve never seen a truck that large)

I actually don’t mind the over-saturation of the police too much (There are so many police stations in large cities and every road has a police car) though I think we need more buses, I’d like another coach like the one on Public Transport and Town Square, though a double decker would be nice 

[The Island Chronicles]

@OwenMistika Don't revive what was trash. World City was trash. 

[Asajki]

14 minutes ago, pooda said:

@OwenMistika Don't revive what was trash. World City was trash. 

I was gonna show you that flat world city police helicopter to prove my point but you deserve better, here’s a great bus and public transport set, sets like this need to appear again 

[The Island Chronicles]

@OwenMistika EXACTLY!!!! There should be a subtheme around that line of work. City is focused on the more central lines of work. I'm pretty sure the transit industry is a vital line of work in the City. It deserves a subtheme slot in City. 

But I think that is a discussion best left on the page in the link below. 

https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/9448-ideas-for-new-city-sets/

Edited October 31, 2019 by pooda

[Asajki]

10 minutes ago, OwenMistika said:

but you deserve better

Let this flat menace be seen for what it is! We're all adults here! Shielding our eyes from such a monstrousity is pointless!

I dare you, I dare you to mock sets like 7207, 7944 or 7906 for their hulking moulded hulls after seeing this monstrosity, the ony good think is the rubber dinghy and it's consistent stye with 7239

Edited October 31, 2019 by Asajki

[The Island Chronicles]

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 

What an atrocity! 

Edited October 31, 2019 by pooda

[Asajki]

1 minute ago, pooda said:

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 

I was too harsh showing you such things, look at their more attractive and superior replacements

[The Island Chronicles]

YES!!!! That's much better. 

[Lego David]

IMO, World City isn't really all that bad... We still got a few interesting sets:

Seriously, I quite like those.

[TeriXeri]

7741 still looks better then much newer helicopters like 60318 from 2017 , brick built > prefab cockpit/rear imo.

[AnyColourYouLike]

When I first saw World City sets, I thought they were some LEGO knock-offs :P 

[ShaydDeGrai]

3 hours ago, Lego David said:

IMO, World City isn't really all that bad... We still got a few interesting sets:

Seriously, I quite like those.

I had totally forgotten that the train shed was part of World City.  At the time I recall I was just so happy to get a train shed to go along with my "My Own Train" locomotives that I wasn't really paying attention to where it was coming from.  Sure, it could have been better (some of their own official train models don't even fit in it, but that kit made a truly unique contribution.  While there have been many stations and train cargo cranes, Lego had never done something quite like it before and haven't revisited it since (maybe it didn't sell well, I don't know, I'm just glad I got one).  Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.

Oh, and STREAM TRAINS, rolling stock and related structures (sheds, stations, switching towers, bridges, turntables, water & coal towers, etc.) I'd like to see a modern take on the "My Own Train" theme called "My Own Railroad" that updates the old engines and introduces a broader range of model railroading-esque sets. 

[The Island Chronicles]

On 11/1/2019 at 10:28 AM, Lego David said:

IMO, World City isn't really all that bad... We still got a few interesting sets:

 

Seriously, I quite like those.

Yeah. That was my only disappointment and pet peeve about 2018's trains. No station other than that platform that came with the passenger train and no shed for the engines to rest. At least we got a decent crane for the cargo train though. 

[The Island Chronicles]

So obviously the Race theme is coming back judging from the service station, race cars and tuning shop. 

The one I want to see revived under City is Sports. While it wasn't initially a town related theme, its not like cities don't have stadiums and almost every little boy I know loves sports. So I'm quite positive that will make a tidy bundle. They also can make up their own team names. 

Edited November 1, 2019 by pooda

[Lego David]

21 minutes ago, pooda said:

The one I want to see revived under City is Sports. While it wasn't initially a town related theme, its not like cities don't have stadiums and almost every little boy I know loves sports. So I'm quite positive that will make a tidy bundle. They also can make up their own team names. 

I'd prefer that to be it's own theme, but I guess it could work under City too. 

[Asajki]

 

On 11/1/2019 at 10:28 AM, Lego David said:

IMO, World City isn't really all that bad... We still got a few interesting sets:

Seriously, I quite like those.

60% agreed

Train shed = Awesome

Cargo crane = Alright

Station = Awful, one of the worst lego stations I've ever seen

On 11/1/2019 at 10:55 AM, TeriXeri said:

7741 still looks better then much newer helicopters like 60318 from 2017 , brick built > prefab cockpit/rear imo.

Oh I agree! The early years of City are where it was at it's best IMO, it feels like the successor to classic Early 80s - Early 90s (Classic) Town that World City and Town's City (It was a thing from 1997-2000, It's barely more complex than Jack Stone) never were
WC was too edgy to be like Town

TC was just too easy! As a pre Jack Stone (sub)theme, it would be fine if it was alongside Classic Town but it just feels too simple

I read an old topic the other day here about early City sets, it was about Classic Town Fans praising Lego city for it's classic designs

(See below quote)

On 4/7/2005 at 9:51 AM, Mister Phes said:

I was in a store looking the smaller World City sets (7245 & 7241) and I was thinking how reminiscent of they were of Town sets from the early 90's. To me this show there still is some hope for LEGO to produce the kind of sets that first attracted me to the toyline.

Since I wasn't really into town I can't make a fair comparison to determine if these sets are as good as the older ones. But is there anyone there who can? Opinions anyone?

On 11/1/2019 at 2:32 PM, ShaydDeGrai said:

I had totally forgotten that the train shed was part of World City.  At the time I recall I was just so happy to get a train shed to go along with my "My Own Train" locomotives that I wasn't really paying attention to where it was coming from.  Sure, it could have been better (some of their own official train models don't even fit in it, but that kit made a truly unique contribution.  While there have been many stations and train cargo cranes, Lego had never done something quite like it before and haven't revisited it since (maybe it didn't sell well, I don't know, I'm just glad I got one).  Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.

Oh, and STREAM TRAINS, rolling stock and related structures (sheds, stations, switching towers, bridges, turntables, water & coal towers, etc.) I'd like to see a modern take on the "My Own Train" theme called "My Own Railroad" that updates the old engines and introduces a broader range of model railroading-esque sets. 

I would KILL (No not literally) for a Lego Flying Scotsman! Or The Mallard! (Screams) if The LEGO company made them... oh ho ho ho ho

On 11/1/2019 at 4:36 PM, pooda said:

So obviously the Race theme is coming back judging from the service station, race cars and tuning shop. 

The one I want to see revived under City is Sports. While it wasn't initially a town related theme, its not like cities don't have stadiums and almost every little boy I know loves sports. So I'm quite positive that will make a tidy bundle. They also can make up their own team names. 

• Yeah, Race is good but I want (Gasp Asajki, on topic? I know, how crazy... "How crazy!?"  "Seriously Owen?") RACERS to return, more specifically, Tiny Turbos, they were so cool and I had SO MANY OF THEM!! My grandmother would take us to her local toy shop and we'd often get one, me and my brother LOVED them, we'd race them, chase them, the Shell ferrari ones were okay but the classic ones were so good! They had more character than Shell's latest sponsored Ferrari Racecar, they lost their individuality, once I would imagine cool racers (Who drives the street maniac? The big bling wheely? I could use a racer to describe everyone I know...) but now I see boring identitieless cars (Who drives the ferrari N65 Dela Cruise, Michael Schumacher by any chance, oh he's retired-WAIT WHAT!!?? Looks at 8144..) :hmp

[The Island Chronicles]

1 hour ago, Asajki said:

 

60% agreed

Train shed = Awesome

Cargo crane = Alright

Station = Awful, one of the worst lego stations I've ever seen

Oh I agree! The early years of City are where it was at it's best IMO, it feels like the successor to classic Early 80s - Early 90s (Classic) Town that World City and Town's City (It was a thing from 1997-2000, It's barely more complex than Jack Stone) never were
WC was too edgy to be like Town

TC was just too easy! As a pre Jack Stone (sub)theme, it would be fine if it was alongside Classic Town but it just feels too simple

I read an old topic the other day here about early City sets, it was about Classic Town Fans praising Lego city for it's classic designs

(See below quote)

I would KILL (No not literally) for a Lego Flying Scotsman! Or The Mallard! (Screams) if The LEGO company made them... oh ho ho ho ho

• Yeah, Race is good but I want (Gasp Asajki, on topic? I know, how crazy... "How crazy!?"  "Seriously Owen?") RACERS to return, more specifically, Tiny Turbos, they were so cool and I had SO MANY OF THEM!! My grandmother would take us to her local toy shop and we'd often get one, me and my brother LOVED them, we'd race them, chase them, the Shell ferrari ones were okay but the classic ones were so good! They had more character than Shell's latest sponsored Ferrari Racecar, they lost their individuality, once I would imagine cool racers (Who drives the street maniac? The big bling wheely? I could use a racer to describe everyone I know...) but now I see boring identitieless cars (Who drives the ferrari N65 Dela Cruise, Michael Schumacher by any chance, oh he's retired-WAIT WHAT!!?? Looks at 8144..) :hmp

I want Racers to return too. Maybe as the Speed Champions Tiny Turbo series. 

[Lego David]

4 hours ago, pooda said:

I want Racers to return too.

YES!!! Me too!

Too be fair, Speed Champions isn't all that interesting, and the cars are overpriced in my country (20$ for one car in my country). I would love to see something like the Tiny Turbos or the Power Racers return!

 

 

[The Island Chronicles]

10 hours ago, Lego David said:

Too be fair, Speed Champions isn't all that interesting, and the cars are overpriced in my country (20$ for one car in my country). 

For my country, its $15.00. Worth it if you look at the details though. 

The only thing that turns me off I'd that I have seen lots of American Muscle and European Exotics. But I haven't seen any Japanese Imports yet. What about GTRs or NSXs???