4 or 6 stud wide cars, which do you prefer ???

[Chuck]

I really actually think that 5-stud should be on here too :-/

-l2k-

[Asuka]

I am a little traditional, but 4 wide cars

[Mr Hobbles]

I did consider 5 wide, but as far as I know there are no 5 wide windshields? They'd have to make a new piece. And then there's the practicality problems, ie. there are no 5 long tiles, plates or bricks.

[Brick Miner]

I don't have to do anything! ;-)

Exactly, so cars should be bigger. I'm glad you agree.

i can't tell by your post, are you just being sarcastic, or do you really think i was suggesting that cars should be 6 studs wide... i can't tell *wacko*

- BrickMiner

[FreeBee]

4 wide cars

5/6 wide trucks

6/7 wide trains

thats what i like *wub*

[john cleese]

what always bugged me is that really you need atleast 9 studs width to make an accurate car, where two figs can be seated comfortably in the front and back, like a real car but for some reason such a large vehicle always ends up looking disporportionate.

[5150 Lego]

Long live six wide! Though 4 wide for a car is ok. But to be more realisic, six wide is better. I think every truck from this point on should be 8 wide! I'min love with 8 wide rigs! I really hope to see more 8 wide rigs in the city line up in the near future.

But in the end, 4 wide for cars is ok, six wide is defenatly prefered and ok for small trucks and 8wide a must for big rigs! So i guessmy vote goes for 6-wide.

[Hinckley]

i can't tell by your post, are you just being sarcastic, or do you really think i was suggesting that cars should be 6 studs wide... i can't tell *wacko*

- BrickMiner

UGH! When in doubt assume I'm joking! *wacko* duh. Of course I'm joking, look at my title. How could you not tell my tone by the way I typed it?<--another joke, you know how you can tell? I wrote it!

Same thing goes for you Alex, my wonderful french friend! It was a joke and don't tell me the answer to the car wash question. I already know it! It's YES! the six-wide car has the same right to be cleaned as the 4-wide.

(Before my rant continues, please remind yourselves that this is all in a comic tone! X-D X-D X-D )

BrickMiner and Alex, you guys are so awesome and great builders and fun fun fun, I have so much respect for ya'. But I can't believe you're both 4-widers. :-X

I love the airplane! 8 wide trains, what a great idea Alex! (another joke X-D)

and Mr. Hobbles, I never said that the road plates being wide enough to fit 6-wide cars was the reason cars should be six-wide. Someone said in another forum that if LEGO changed the roadplates again they were going to self-destruct or something along those lines. I was just nipping that argument in the bud.

And furthermore (I'm on a rant here, a comic rant though! Don't forget it's all X-D :-D X-D :-D :-| X-D :-D fun!)

Why do you want Ms. LEGO to walk to the hospital when she's in labor? Why can't her husband drive her? Because you won't make them a two seater vehicle! For shame! Should she deliver the baby herself too?

Is you car as wide as your front door? No, it's not. You couldn't drive your car through your front door, so why do you want your LEGO people to be able to do so? Cars should be wider than your front door so you can comfortably fit two people across and a console with a spacious cup holder!

I'd be willing to pay more for a car that looked like a real car. I won't spend any money on a 4-wide parade of crap-mobiles! More details! Bigger is not always better, but more realistic is always better (imho)

We may not agree on car width but bley sucks, right?!

6 wide on!!

[MatthewUSA]

With the release of the new 6 wide "City" sets, I like them so much better than the old 4 wide. In the time I have been collecting "Town" sets, I have never really liked the 4 wide. I have always wanted to see vehicles that could carry minifigs side-by-side. I did not start creating MOC's in 6 wide with the side-by-side concept until TLC came out with the new sets. The new sets even led me to redesign my "Trains" to 8 wide. Now with these changes I *wub* the scale. This scale looks so much more realistic. I am so *sweet* to see TLC changing the sizes. Maybe they just might change the "Trains" here soon too. Time will tell.

[Hinckley]

With the release of the new 6 wide "City" sets, I like them so much better than the old 4 wide. In the time I have been collecting "Town" sets, I have never really liked the 4 wide. I have always wanted to see vehicles that could carry minifigs side-by-side. I did not start creating MOC's in 6 wide with the side-by-side concept until TLC came out with the new sets. The new sets even led me to redesign my "Trains" to 8 wide. Now with these changes I *wub* the scale. This scale looks so much more realistic. I am so *sweet* to see TLC changing the sizes. Maybe they just might change the "Trains" here soon too. Time will tell.

mwahahaha! It's spreading...

[Siegfried]

Six wide cars would be an improvement; one person per car, while cute, is silly. Trucks should be six wide for light commercials, and 8 for larger trucks. (Even so, I am considering 6-wideing my 7900 as it is the odd-truck-out, but I could solve that by buying 7998...) I think trains should also be 8 wide, but that does introduce the problem of having enough room around corners. On the other hand, I have the 7893 passenger plane and I really don't know what to do with it; making an airport scene based around it took too much room so it is now shelved. Turning it into my first 8-wide train is an option...

Lego does need to make some decisions on scale. They still are selling 4-wide cars (like the one in the service station) and compared to the current motor bike it does look odd. New road plates will help. Perhaps the next road plates should have only half a road?

[Brick Miner]

UGH! When in doubt assume I'm joking!

well, that's a relief :'-)

anyway, i've had some time to collect my thoughts into a more organized manner.

as it is, i like the scale of car-to-truck-to-"big rig". currently known as 4-to-6-to-8. i would say they are a prefect ratio to one another.

however, it seems that once we throw in the scale of minifig-to-car, are ratio seems off. and for some reason, to me, the scale of car-to-truck-to-rig is more important. and the one of minifig-to-car is of less importance.

with that in mind (i think im about to repeat what i already wrote) i would be fine with 6 wide cars (this would fix the minifig-to-car scale), however, all other scales would have to be adjusted proportionally. i.e. car-to-truck-to-rig-to-roadplate.

so really, to me, this poll suggests a lot more than just 4 or 6 wide cars... its either stick with the car, truck, rig, roadplate scale we have now, or adjust the whole thing.

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in the end, im liking what im seeing in the 2007 line (enough to make me buy city sets !!! and that's a surprise, i never saw coming). and i honestly can't say i would like it any better on a larger scale... i guess i would have to see the designs :-D

- Brick Miner

[Hinckley]

well, that's a relief :'-)

blah blah blah (hidden joke, shh! ;-) )

so really, to me, this poll suggests a lot more than just 4 or 6 wide cars... its either stick with the car, truck, rig, roadplate scale we have now, or adjust the whole thing.

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in the end, im liking what im seeing in the 2007 line (enough to make me buy city sets !!! and that's a surprise, i never saw coming). and i honestly can't say i would like it any better on a larger scale... i guess i would have to see the designs :-D

- Brick Miner

Thanks again for starting this poll. I told you it'd be the best thread ever.

Back to the controversy! :-P Six-wide cars does not mean eight-wide trucks 10 wide trains and 20-wide planes. Certainly the "earth is flat" crowd 4-widers should understand that. Trucks and cars have been the same width for years:

So, cars and trucks can be the same width. It's funny that the "earth is flat" crowd 4-widers want realism in terms of relativity but want every mini-fig to drive a very unrealistic "half-car"...

seriously, no wink this time...

[Brick Miner]

Thanks again for starting this poll. I told you it'd be the best thread ever.

with all of your replies to this discussion, you will soon enough be able to do this on your own :-P

- BM

[JINZONINGEN73]

what always bugged me is that really you need atleast 9 studs width to make an accurate car, where two figs can be seated comfortably in the front and back, like a real car but for some reason such a large vehicle always ends up looking disporportionate.

This is something that's BUGGED me about Lego since I was 5 years old.

It's probably a large reason I hadn't bought Lego between the ages of 6-26.

Still, a 6-wide looks DAMN fine for just one figure.

4-wides look just plain toddler in construction and design.

[oo7]

UGH! When in doubt assume I'm joking! *wacko* duh. Of course I'm joking, look at my title. How could you not tell my tone by the way I typed it?<--another joke, you know how you can tell? I wrote it!

Same thing goes for you Alex, my wonderful french friend! It was a joke and don't tell me the answer to the car wash question. I already know it! It's YES! the six-wide car has the same right to be cleaned as the 4-wide.

(Before my rant continues, please remind yourselves that this is all in a comic tone! X-D X-D X-D )

BrickMiner and Alex, you guys are so awesome and great builders and fun fun fun, I have so much respect for ya'. But I can't believe you're both 4-widers. :-X

I love the airplane! 8 wide trains, what a great idea Alex! (another joke X-D)

and Mr. Hobbles, I never said that the road plates being wide enough to fit 6-wide cars was the reason cars should be six-wide. Someone said in another forum that if LEGO changed the roadplates again they were going to self-destruct or something along those lines. I was just nipping that argument in the bud.

And furthermore (I'm on a rant here, a comic rant though! Don't forget it's all X-D :-D X-D :-D :-| X-D :-D fun!)

Why do you want Ms. LEGO to walk to the hospital when she's in labor? Why can't her husband drive her? Because you won't make them a two seater vehicle! For shame! Should she deliver the baby herself too?

Is you car as wide as your front door? No, it's not. You couldn't drive your car through your front door, so why do you want your LEGO people to be able to do so? Cars should be wider than your front door so you can comfortably fit two people across and a console with a spacious cup holder!

I'd be willing to pay more for a car that looked like a real car. I won't spend any money on a 4-wide parade of crap-mobiles! More details! Bigger is not always better, but more realistic is always better (imho)

We may not agree on car width but bley sucks, right?!

6 wide on!!

Whoa.

It seems that someone's been drinking too much coffee..........

[osakana]

System/Legoland was never about realism. Remember those minifigures sets from late 1970s, with cars that mf couldn't even fit into? Houses without back walls and stairs?

Scale is not the matter - proposion is. Minifigs do not have human-like proportions, so it is imposible to build realistic car with minifigures (human is be taller than most of the cars - try and build that, fitting two figures inside!). If you need realism, go on and built bigger cars with TECHNIC-figures.

The 6-wide blue car from Harry Potter was awful (and ugly) - it was so huge comparing to small house that came with that set. Of course, now everything is bigger - including a portable toilet size of 80s-90s house.

[SalvoBrick]

8-wide trucks are _too_big_ for roadplates... I bought the 7900 "heavy loader" truck and... it's too big for a normal road. So, I've recycled the pieces to build a 6-wide truck.

On the other hand, I have build some 6-wide cars... but those are _vintage_ cars, form a time when cars were bigger than now.

5-wide cars are fine in most cases, and you can get excellent and realistic results like this one (Citroen DS)

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=235435

And I will remain a fan of 4-wide cars because, in the best diorama I've ever seen, cars are 4-wide :-D

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=239091 (Ulimy's diorama)

[Holodoc]

...

Regardless, even if you were to make cars 6 wide you still can't fit two people in one! ...

Ha!

You have nothing seen yet!

Look at our fabulous city car competition here.

(Btw, if you haven

[Asuka]

Well, that

[UniqueBuilder]

It was a hard voting, but I ended up voting 4-wide. 4 wide cars, 6 wide trucks, and 8 wide heavy duty trucks, like Zeki said. ;-)

Edited June 8, 2007 by UniqueBuilder

[alex54]

Same thing goes for you Alex, my wonderful french friend! It was a joke

[SavaTheAggie]

Something that I have not seen in this conversation yet, which I think is important, is that, for automobiles, 6-wide is realistic.

And so is 4-wide.

The simple fact of the matter is that we all base our scales to a minifig, but a minifig, like everything else LEGO, is disproportionate to itself.

If you were to take a minfiig and blow him up to the size of a real person, he'd be twice as wide with a mellon the size of a hibachi grill. Because of that, you have to options:

You can either decide that a minifig is 5.5 to 6 feet tall, making it 'average height' for a human being. With that, 4-wide is incredibly accurate. Yes, while you can't sit two minfiigs together, if a minfiig were the correct height vs. width, you could. After all, most cars are about 4 to 5 feet wide (more or less), depending on make and model, and that jives with an 'average height' fig.

But at the same time if you decide that a minifig is the width of a normal person, 6-wide is accurate. However, while you can sit two figs together (if you design it right so you can), the figs now look like children or a population of height-challenged individuals. After all, I'm 5'10", and I've NEVER been able to lay down in the back seat of any car and lay flat without having to bend or twist in some fashion.

So the real question that needs to be asked is not what width of car is best, but what is the height of a minfig? Is a minfig a super-wide, average heighted person? Or is a minifig a normal-wide, short person?

And the answer, of course, is up to you.

--Tony

[Optikal Illushun]

Sava, u said exactly what i was going to. most cars and trucks are incedibly accurate if u base it on real life, which is what i do. my general rule of thumb is one stud is 1 1/4 foot...that works are pretty well.

IMO, 6 wide cars look silly. unless its an exotic like a ferrari (which i would use 5 wide), anything over 4 is making is &lt;insert that tiresome argument&gt;. also having trucks 8 wide makes them look to big and bulky and they dont fit on the baseplates either. i can fit as much detail into a 4 wide as most can into a 6 wide car/truck so that doesnt bother me.

4 wide - cars and light trucks

5 wide - hummers and exotics

6 wide - flat nose medium and heavy trucks

8 wide - trains

for my medium and heavy duty trucks i use a 4 wide cab with a 6 wide body. that makes it almost perfect scale.

[Hinckley]

my general rule of thumb is one stud is 1 1/4 foot...that works are pretty well.

That's a great equation to use except that it only works to justify 4 wide cars. By that equation, a standard doorway is 5 feet wide and people are roughly 4.75 feet wide.

The mini-fig is not scale to human, we know that. But for something to be "mini-fig scale" it should be scaled to the mini-fig, or the 4.75 foot wide human. Therefore cars should be wider to fit the scale.

All due respect Optical, I understand you like the 4-wide scale, but a five foot wide truck cab that could drive through your front door is not perfect scale.