rollermonkey Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 As long as there's a Corellian coffee maker in the Falcon this time, it's all good. Quote
Fuppylodders Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Considering the huge jumps in quality of design/details/shaping over each of the predecessors Im interested to see just how much better this will be. And if they decrease the piece count and keep the same price/increase it as seems typical :( Edited January 11, 2015 by Fuppylodders Quote
Dragonlego27 Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 Considering the huge jumps in quality of design/details/shaping over each of the predecessors Im interested to see just how much better this will be. And if they decrease the piece count and keep the same price/increase it as seems typical :( I think the new Falcon is going to be as much of a quality increase as the Republic Gunship, instead of another "advance" like the Star Destroyer. The Millennium Falcon is such an icon of Star Wars that the designers simply can't muck it up, especially as it seems a key part of the new film. Although I never got the the 2011 version, I understand it had several key flaws, although it was also one of the better sets of that wave. Four years later and the TFA Falcon can only get better. Quote
neoconagenda Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 *sigh* I told myself that I would no longer participate in MF speculation... But who am I kidding, I cant resist!!! I would like to see them use the 10179 as a base and bring the part count closer to 6k by adding some type of interior. We would probably see a differant dish and possibly a moulded windscreen. Would also love to see them use the gray mast and gray antennas again. I also think that if they do another UCS MF it wil come it at around $599... All of this is pure speculation though... Quote
Nom Carver Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 I think the new Falcon is going to be as much of a quality increase as the Republic Gunship, instead of another "advance" like the Star Destroyer. The Millennium Falcon is such an icon of Star Wars that the designers simply can't muck it up, especially as it seems a key part of the new film. Although I never got the the 2011 version, I understand it had several key flaws, although it was also one of the better sets of that wave. Four years later and the TFA Falcon can only get better. I dont think so, TLG has also some stepbacks like the MTT, AAT and star destroyer (the latest AT TE was also smaller), a lower piece count and smaller size will be seen more often in future sets, it seems they are saving the smart and inventive new building techniques and details for the more expensive UCS sets and exclusive large sets, I have no problem with it since I am not much of a fan of huge sets but it will certainly mess up the scale of the vehicles with each other (even though they were never supposed to be in scale but their size looked fine in most sets in the past) Quote
hjmediastudios Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 I'm not so sure about the AT-TE being a step back- it's far studier and more proportional than the 2007 edition; I think what we're seeing is a trend towards more play features and far sturdier builds, which often have the side effect of making the model smaller overall. Quote
Clone 01354 Productions Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 I think people are exaggerating the whole decrease in quality. Are some sets terrible? Yes. But do those terrible sets have great qualities too? Yes. Take Jabba's Fail Barge for instance: I (obviously) hate the set as much as the rest of us do. But in all honesty, the set LOOKS like the barge. It's smooth, it's sleek, it has appropriate proportions to the rest of the ship. Same with the AT-TE, Star Destroyer, Ghost, Sandcrawler, AT-AT......all of the sets we say are terrible, are actually just undersized. They're not blocky, fragile messes with bad proportions and inaccurate designs.....just small. And it makes it better for people to afford. You want a to-scale version of the Star Destroyer? Get ready to whip out $5000. I like that LEGO makes things affordable yet detailed. BTW, someone said a few pages back that DISNEY is ruining the quality of LEGO Star Wars sets. I must say, that is one of the most ridiculous conclusions I have ever heard. Quote
Tariq j Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 ^^ Even if you think Jabbas Sail Barge was a bad set, I don't think it should be referred to as a "fail barge" I liked the set. I think some sets may have been cut in size for accuracy. Take the Star Destroyer for example, there was no space on the actual bridge for minifigures, and it was much smaller, but it was alot more accurate than its predecessor. Quote
Clone 01354 Productions Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 ^Yeah, and it's the same with the AT-TE: although there was really no interior, it still LOOKED great. Design is going up, even if size is decreasing. And BTW, like I said, the SAIL barge was not a bad set, per se......it was just disappointing, since the whole purpose of the set IS to put minifigs in it and on top of the deck. It looked nice, but since the whole purpose of the set was shot with a tiny interior...... Quote
Douglas_Jon Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 Gotta say I'm pretty disappointed in this wave. The new Slave I is great yet expensive, the battle packs are alright but can only carry a wave so far. At this point I'm just sitting back and waiting for Lego to remake a Zam Wesell minifigure. Quote
1974 Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 The vast majority of kids wanting a sail barge, the look won't be crucial, the PLAYVALUE (<--hello TLG, remember that you're a toy company, not making vanity objects for rich adults?!) is MUCH more important, same thing with the SD ... so yeah, a step back imho Same thing with that brown tank thing full of droids. Sandcrawler, much better Quote
Jacob_9821 Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Another thing we need to reconsider is inflation. Take for instance 6211, it cost 100 US in 2006. Change that to the United States current dollar value and you get about 120. Now consider the newest SD, 75055, costing 130 US. Even though those models differ significantly in size, they weigh roughly the same, 75055 weighting slightly more, according to Bricklink. Imo, the smaller models are better only because they make better usage of the pieces to create a sturdy, playable toy. Now of course there are exceptions, *cough*MTT*cough*, but generally it's for a good reason. Quote
rollermonkey Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Inflation in the US has been pretty steady at around 2% for several years. Quote
pcsguy88 Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) ^^ Even if you think Jabbas Sail Barge was a bad set, I don't think it should be referred to as a "fail barge" I liked the set. I think some sets may have been cut in size for accuracy. Take the Star Destroyer for example, there was no space on the actual bridge for minifigures, and it was much smaller, but it was alot more accurate than its predecessor. I agree with this. Let me offer a fresh view as a soon to be 40yr old AFOL who has been collecting Lego for less than 6 months (I have been running a website/forum for 1:18 military toys for +5yrs). I finally cracked and bowed to the Lego gods after staring at the AT-AT display in Target for months in disbelief they could capture it's screen likeness so well. Building it, I was amazed at the complexity in mixing the Technics frame with regular bricks to create the sloping angles with studs out. This immediately led me to pick up the Star Destroyer the same week and was once again amazed at how solid it was and how the whole thing opens up. Play features galore for kids, yet model accuracy for adults. Lego hit the sweet spot on both of these models imho. So I start snooping around Lego forums and researching past sets to see what is out there. Most of what I find looks like crap to my virgin eyes, yet all of the old timers love them and complain about the new sets and their building techniques. This left me scratching my head until I read the complaints about the new highly detailed storm troopers which is when I realized the old dogs were just complaining about change in general because who could possibly be upset about more detailed printing? I have since built R2, Sandcrawler, Slave I and anything that starts with AT on the shelves. As a virgin coming to SW Legos, I have to say I hit at the right time. The golden age. Screen accurate models that are solid, come with amazing figure and my kids can play with them. What more could you possibly want out of a child's toy? Edited January 12, 2015 by pcsguy88 Quote
Artoo Detour Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Let me offer a fresh view as a soon to be 40yr old AFOL who has been collecting Lego for less than 6 months (I have been running a website/forum for 1:18 military toys for +5yrs). I finally cracked and bowed to the Lego gods after staring at the AT-AT display in Target for months in disbelief they could capture it's screen likeness so well. Building it, I was amazed at the complexity in mixing the Technics frame with regular bricks to create the sloping angles with studs out. This immediately led me to pick uo the Star Destroyer the same week and was once again amazed at how solid it was and how the whole thing opens up. Play features galore for kids, yet model accuracy for adults. Lego hit the sweet spot on both of these models imho. So I start snooping around Lego forums and researching past sets to see what is out there. Most of what I find looks like crap to my virgin eyes, yet all of the old timers love them and complain about the new sets and their building techniques. This left me scratching my head until I read the complaints about the new highly detailed storm troopers which is when I realized the old dogs were just complaining about change in general because who could possibly be upset about more detailed printing? I have since built R2, Sandcrawler, Slave I and anything that starts wit AT-. As a virgin coming to SW Legos, I have to say I hit at the right time. The golden age. Screen accurate models that are solid, come with amazing figure and my kids can play with them. What more could you possibly want out of a child's toy? Thank you for this post, I mostly lurk, but you've made me want to crawl out of my cave to make a rare post! As an "old dog" who's been collecting LEGO Star Wars since its birth, I couldn't agree with you more. I love the screen accurate models of today; I can hardly ever get on board with folks who prefer previous versions (I suspect nostalgia is to blame). Sets like the new Star Destroyer, though slightly smaller, just blow away the previous version in terms of screen accuracy. I would spend a lot of time "modifying" my Star Wars sets in the earlier years so that they'd be close to screen accurate, but nowadays it's hardly needed at all because they look so great. Over any other theme, I feel LEGO Star Wars is the absolute perfect marriage of play for children and detail for adults. Especially given that these sets are primarily made for kids, but the designers really go out of their way to build-in detail and accuracy for adults. Quote
pcsguy88 Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Thank you Artoo Detour. . I think AFOL's forget how fortunate they are to have a line specifically designed for them in UCS sets. Transformers has the Masterpiece line of figures north of $100 to capture the nostalgia of adult collectors precious 80's cartoon figures. Most other toy lines (like GI Joe) have squat for adults and yet the hordes of collectors complain incessantly about how only adults collect them and so they should get what they want. BS. They are toys for ages 4 and up. Bravo Lego for doing both at the same time and having an abundance of product readily available on the shelves. Edited January 12, 2015 by pcsguy88 Quote
lowlead Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Artoo Detour, pcsguy88: Here Here! Couldn't agree more with your posts above. As a guy that actually remembers (barely) seeing ep IV in an actual movie theatre - except we had to leave early cuz my sister got sick - I would occasionally catch myself being too critical of emerging sets, getting caught up in the nit picking and hair splitting. Now I just sit back and really marvel at what the designers churn out of Billund. Granted, some are misses, but many are certainly hits. I'll buy multiple copies of the hits, and just leave behind the misses. Either way I try to refrain from complaining - strong or poor sales numbers steer design attributes, not internet rants. In the meantime, I am anxiously awaiting pics of the new Shuttle Tyderium, as it's been too long since we've seen a system scale Lambda shuttle. I hope the wait will be worth it after the upcoming shuttle gets a fresh design - fingers crossed. Quote
Darth Mallet Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Yep, people complain for complaining sake sometimes. The sets we are getting/have got over the last few years are far superior to previous versions in my opinion. The build, complexity, sturdiness and likeness to the actual thing are way ahead of previous versions. The detail of the mini figures is amazing these days too. I have been a Star Wars and lego fan since 1982 and when Lego started making the Star Wars line I was like a kid again. The perfect marriage of lego and Star Wars was here, if only it was around when I was a kid then I could of actually played with the models too rather than just collect. I had space lego to fill the void. Slave 1 is in the post and I can not wait to build it, it looks awesome!! Quote
pcsguy88 Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 I also cannot wait to see the Tyderium. This is one model that I'd love to have the previous version, so TLG is going to have to work overtime to improve upon it. I skipped the current version of the Falcon after watching it wobble all over the place during a video review and hearing rumors of a new version coming out this year. Now that the rumors are true, I hope they nail a design as sturdy as the Star Destroyer. Lord help my wallet if Ep7 is full of new walkers and Lego decides to produce quality sets of them. Quote
Lord Tyrus Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 I'm kinda late to the party for the autumn/winter wave speculations, do we have a confirmed (or at least fairly accurate) list of sets and price points? It's just I'd rather not trall through 140+ worth of pages... Quote
Nom Carver Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) I always wanted to have the Tydirium or any lambda class shuttle, I have no doubt TLG will be making an absolutely amazing new vehicle, but I also hope it wont be too tiny. I'm kinda late to the party for the autumn/winter wave speculations, do we have a confirmed (or at least fairly accurate) list of sets and price points? It's just I'd rather not trall through 140+ worth of pages... 75091 Classic Flash Speeder £34.99 75092 Naboo Starfighter £54.99 75093 Death Star Final Duel £69.99 75094 Imperial Shuttle Tydirium £79.99 75106 Imperial Assault Carrier £99.99 75099 Episode VII £19.99 75100 Episode VII £39.99 75101 Episode VII £59.99 75102 Episode VII £69.99 75103 Episode VII £79.99 75104 Episode VII £99.99 75105 Episode VII £129.99 75107 £14.99 75108 £14.99 75109 £19.99 75110 £19.99 75111 £24.99 75112 £29.99 I am not sure about the prices but the list seems to be legitimate Edited January 12, 2015 by Nom Carver Quote
Lord Tyrus Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Thanks, I'm looking forward to the shuttle and assault carrier, but I'm prepared to be disappointed... Quote
cavegod Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 The term 'Wolf' is used by Disney on the concept art work. Hope that helps Quote
Darth Punk Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 The term 'Wolf' is used by Disney on the concept art work. Hope that helps For all concept art or just concerning rebels? Quote
Fuppylodders Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) While I can't wait to see the Tydirium, and will probably get it regardless as it is my favourite SW ship, and I'm sure they will do a great job for it.... I can't feel that while already owning 10212 which is essentially as close to minifig scale and accurate as TLG will EVER get to it, that I will ultimately feel slightly less enthusiastic over it no matter how brilliant it is.... as surely it just can't compare to it... other than affordability....? Edited January 12, 2015 by Fuppylodders Quote
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