Venkefedo Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Fans may have rioted if the Falcon was suddenly purple or yellow or had red racing stripes or was even black. Quote
Darth Punk Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Fans may have rioted if the Falcon was suddenly purple or yellow or had red racing stripes or was even black. It's the one ship you really can't mess around with too much. Too much of an icon that's recognized even by non Star Wars fans. Quote
Clone 01354 Productions Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) The trailer did do anything for me, my first thought was "is this fanmade??" I think that's a bit rude, considering that the crew who designed the trailer probably spent quite a long time trying to make it perfect for fans. And really, what was bad about it? Star Wars fans are impossible to please. "Keep the MF the same, and you're a lazy designer. CHANGE the MF, and we'll hate you." There are few true fans out there. Almost every supposed "hardcore fan" hates Clone Wars, the PT, Rebels, ROTJ.....but no, they're fans!! Edited January 17, 2015 by LN-01354 Quote
Chris12399 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Star Wars fans are impossible to please. "Keep the MF the same, and you're a lazy designer. CHANGE the MF, and we'll hate you." There are few true fans out there. Almost every supposed "hardcore fan" hates Clone Wars, the PT, Rebels, ROTS.....but no, they're fans!! are you impling that the Clone Wars, Rebels or the PT are somehow good? (with the slight exception of ROTS) Quote
Clone 01354 Productions Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) are you impling that the Clone Wars, Rebels or the PT are somehow good? (with the slight exception of ROTS) People exaggerate the flaws of the PT and ROTJ (I meant ROTJ, not ROTS), the flaws of the Clone Wars are valid, but also exaggerated, and I have no clue why people hate Rebels so much. I happen to think that the PT are decent movies (but ROTS is pretty great), the Ewoks don't ruin ROTJ, TCW is not AS bad as we make it out to be, and also, I love Rebels. Edited January 17, 2015 by LN-01354 Quote
Chris12399 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 People exaggerate the flaws of the PT and ROTJ (I meant ROTJ, not ROTS), the flaws of the Clone Wars are valid, but also exaggerated, and I have no clue why people hate Rebels so much. I happen to think that the PT are decent movies (but ROTS is pretty great), the Ewoks don't ruin ROTJ, TCW is not AS bad as we make it out to be, and also, I love Rebels. the prequels are decent, ROTS being the best. but the Clone Wars really ruined Star Wars for me. its not the same animated. I think the animated shows are too childish. Quote
MandaloretheLesser Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 The Clone Wars is childish because it is a childrens tv show first and foremost. Just like LEGO is a childrens toy first and foremost. So many people seem to forget this. Sure parts of both are for adult fans but like 85% is for kids. Quote
Darth Malgus Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 As Kyle Newman says if you only like 3 of the movies your effectively giving Star Wars a pass, its only 50%. I agree with the comments about it being a kids toy first. Quote
TheWolffe Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Republic/Rebel Tri-wing Fighter from Ep7 *Spoiler Alert* That design screams Old Republic to me. Quote
duboismerci Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I think that's a bit rude, considering that the crew who designed the trailer probably spent quite a long time trying to make it perfect for fans. And really, what was bad about it? I think he meant it had nothing special not that it was bad. For me it's missing a wow factor. more on subject: I am pretty sure we had the leaked image of the summer sets at this period last year. They should be just around the corner...I hope Quote
rollermonkey Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) A lot of people forget that the OT was rated G in a lot of countries. Even where it was PG, including the US, there was plenty of marketing towards kids. It's always been as much for kids as it has been for adults, and the age range of OT fans really backs that up. So, if you don't like TCW and Rebels because 'they're too childish' you might be missing the point. With the exception of some pretty pointless political drivel in the PT, it has all been somewhat childish. Hence the fact that @ 12 BILLION dollars has been made from the sales of SW toys out of the 27 Billion dollars including all box office, dvds, books, video games, etc. That's more than 44% of the total franchise revenue. Rebels and TCW are targeted to the exact same market as everything else. Maybe it's you that have outgrown the stories. Edited January 17, 2015 by rollermonkey Quote
Cyberfounder Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I think that's a bit rude, considering that the crew who designed the trailer probably spent quite a long time trying to make it perfect for fans. And really, what was bad about it? Star Wars fans are impossible to please. "Keep the MF the same, and you're a lazy designer. CHANGE the MF, and we'll hate you." There are few true fans out there. Almost every supposed "hardcore fan" hates Clone Wars, the PT, Rebels, ROTJ.....but no, they're fans!! You misunderstood me, I really like the PT and OT , not that mush of a fan of the clone wars series, but I did like some Episodes en Rebels is looking good to. But the new trailer doesn't give me the same feeling as before, there is just something that is off... Maybe its me. I Republic/Rebel Tri-wing Fighter from Ep7 *Spoiler Alert* Looks like an A-wing that was in a head on collision with something from the Techno Union. Quote
DarthTwoShedsJackson Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 You don't need to like everything Star Wars to consider yourself a Star Wars fan, that'd just be silly. It is absolutely viable to say you are a Star Wars fan, like the OT and dislike the PT. Where most people fail is to actually articulate WHY they like or dislike something, or WHAT they like or dislike, both of which are actually way more interesting than the mere statement 'I like or dislike xy'. As for the teaser: It really puzzles me what a fuss is made, both positive and negative, with regards to a little tiny teaser. Patience, you must learn patience! Quote
TheBrickHitHouse Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Ah, the argument of the lazy: if something is marketed at kids it's 'okay' for it to be rubbish. No. A show should always be the best the cast and crew can deliver for obvious reasons - least if all because the viewer pays the same for the product. There's never an excuse for rubbish work; if the writers and director don't care they can find a thousand others who will bleed for the project. Get it right or expect to be criticised. Quote
Ki-Adi-Mundi Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 It might have already have been discussed and been missed by me: Do we already know whether the named sets we do know of yet will be microfighters? I think of the Flash Speeder, TIE Fighter and such... While the now available Shadow Trooper Set shows connection to "The Force Unleashed" - i wonder whether this might also be a hint at upcoming story arcs of EP VII... Quote
Darth Punk Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 It might have already have been discussed and been missed by me: Do we already know whether the named sets we do know of yet will be microfighters? I think of the Flash Speeder, TIE Fighter and such... While the now available Shadow Trooper Set shows connection to "The Force Unleashed" - i wonder whether this might also be a hint at upcoming story arcs of EP VII... The royal guard has been seen in TFA concept art so it's also possible that the shadow troopers still exist as well. But I don't think the set itself is some kind of hint since it would have been planned awhile ago. Quote
ChiefPie Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Personally I like both trilogy's. And I liked TCW. Rebels is growing on me. I can't wait to see the summer sets! Quote
Jedi-Bendu Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 As Kyle Newman says if you only like 3 of the movies your effectively giving Star Wars a pass, its only 50%. Besides the fact that it’s Kyle Newman saying this….Star Wars is WAY more than 6 movies….he is forgetting 4 animated series (Clone Wars, Rebels, Droids, Ewoks) 2 spin-off movies (Caravan of Courage + Battle for Endor) hundreds of novels, comics, videogames….. To quote Egg Shen (Big Trouble in Little China): “There’s Buddhism the OT, Confucianism the PT, and Taoist alchemy and sorcery animated series, comics and the EU. We take what we want and leave the rest… Just like your salad bar.” As for me: the PT is not bad. It’s just not as good as the OT. It doesn’t come close. For me, this is mainly due to many of the designs and the story (and some characters like Baby Fett (who’s worse than JarJar)). Who the heck is Willrow Hood, and who's responsible for him? This is like getting minifigs for all those silly characters who just show up to clutter the screen with cgi Lucas invented for the Prequel Triology, whose names are testament to the deep thought that went into them. Do we get minifigs for those, too? I hope not. Who wants a minifig that looks like a cheap cartoon and has a name like Gumbloo Bumbleboo Flaknut Noodlepurk Parzipurz Klaggletooth Shnigfit Gimblehurz Great stuff, George, great stuff! Well, Lucas is not entirely to blame for this….. In 1987 the Star Wars Roleplaying game was released by West End Games. They had some awesome companion guides in which many characters from the movies got their names, like Kabe, Muftak, Tessek (formerly known as Squid Head)….. In the mid 90’s Decipher released Star Wars: the Customizable Card Game. Again, many characters got names and Willrow Hood was one of them. Naming all these background characters was essential to the game as every card needed to have one. Also in the mid 90’s 3 Anthologies were released: the ‘Tales of/from’ series, edited by Kevin J. Anderson. These books used the West End Games companions and added new names. In Star Wars Insiders magazine there’s a section in which background characters get names. I know one of the guys who’s responsible for this. They do it under supervision of Lucasfilm’s Leland Chee. So, naming background characters has been done for almost 3 decades…and yes: I want as much OT minifigs as possible, even Willrow Hood, Het Nkik, J’Quille, Saelt-Marae, Reegesk, Treva Horme and of course URoRRuR'R'R. Quote
Cyberfounder Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 You don't need to like everything Star Wars to consider yourself a Star Wars fan, that'd just be silly. It is absolutely viable to say you are a Star Wars fan, like the OT and dislike the PT. Where most people fail is to actually articulate WHY they like or dislike something, or WHAT they like or dislike, both of which are actually way more interesting than the mere statement 'I like or dislike xy'. As for the teaser: It really puzzles me what a fuss is made, both positive and negative, with regards to a little tiny teaser. Patience, you must learn patience! What I do like is the new villain, he will make an interesting LEGO figure. But as far as the trailer go's... Mace Windu as a stormtrooper is not working for me, that droid looks like a football and those stormtroopers in that landing craft scene look so chaotic, that for a moment I thought it was a scene from starship toopers and these stormtroopers were joining the battle for Klendathu. Even my girlfriend thought it was fanmade and she is not into star wars. Quote
Ephseb Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) Late to the party, I know, but here are some general thoughts on the summer rumors: I already own the 2007 N1 and really don't need another. The Flash Speeder sounds very expensive, I may get it on sale if the figures are interesting. Final Duel is a must, because of the Nostalgia (Christmas 2002) and new Sidious & Luke. Seeging how I don't have a Lambda-shuttle yet, might get it this time. Does anyone think that it would be possible for the Tydirium to include a new Crix Madine figure? I have enough Rebel Commandos ;) Don't care at all for Rebels/TCW or Episode 7, so nothing really interesting there so far, though I hope for some useful new minifig parts to use for assembling the characters from the X-Wing, Thrawn and NJO series. Edited January 17, 2015 by Ephseb Quote
Venkefedo Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 But as far as the trailer go's... Mace Windu as a stormtrooper is not working for me, that droid looks like a football and those stormtroopers in that landing craft scene look so chaotic, that for a moment I thought it was a scene from starship toopers and these stormtroopers were joining the battle for Klendathu. Even my girlfriend thought it was fanmade and she is not into star wars. The stormtroopers look chaotic? How so? It's a bunch of troopers lined up on a landing craft. And "Mace Windu as a stormtrooper" sounds ignorant. Stormtroopers are just recruits. It's pretty much always been that way, except for a brief period in the early 2000s when George seemed to want to indicate that they were all Jango Fetts... yet he didn't have Morrison re-dub all the trooper lines in the OT the same way he re-dubbed Boba Fett, and they could've done all of that in the same recording session easily. But canon is very clear now that stormies are not clones, especially not Jango clones... however the cloning process worked, the Kaminoans were already unable to clone Jangos for much longer as of TCW Season 2, letting Shaak Ti know the Jedi would soon have to choose a new template (which never happened, obviously). Clones take a decade to grow and 'program', which is a costly enterprise in both time & money, and it's far cheaper to recruit from among the billions & billions of loyal Imperial citizens, especially the youth, who can be trained up in only a couple years. The war was over, and the Jedi Order shattered. The clones--supersoldiers--had completed their mission (be a 'faceless' army to match the droid army on the other side of Palpatine's puppet-war to, and a secret weapon against the Jedi). You don't need supersoldiers to merely keep the peace and put down the odd little uprising in what is known by the Jedi as "the dark times" but known by most of the galaxy as "peacetime", and the Rebel Alliance wasn't around in a great enough capacity nearly long enough for a new batch of supersoldiers to be required, let alone fully grown, by the time the OT ended. There's no reason whatsoever for stormtroopers to not be any ethnicity... and we also already know gender isn't a barrier, either. The actual fan made trailers that were released before the official teaser were far more 'fan made'-looking than the real deal, with obvious video-game footage, footage from fan films, audio pulled from non-Star Wars projects (one line was actually Ford in Anchorman 2), etc. Someone mentioned if we knew the names of the Summer sets weren't for Microfighters... we have numbers & prices associated with them, but also--so far--Microfighters are a winter-wave thing (disappointing as that is, as it'll probably be years before we have both a Flash Speeder Microfighter & an Imperial Shuttle Microfighter, not to mention all the other fun ones they can do like A-wings, Y-wings, B-wings, Hound's Tooth, Moldy Crow, Ebon Hawk, Slave II, Z-95, Sith Infiltrator, Rogue Shadow, etc) Quote
Clone 01354 Productions Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 You don't need to like everything Star Wars to consider yourself a Star Wars fan, that'd just be silly. Correct. You don't need to like EVERYTHING, but when someone doesn't like 90% of the franchise....they should rethink calling themselves a fan. You misunderstood me, I really like the PT and OT , not that mush of a fan of the clone wars series, but I did like some Episodes en Rebels is looking good to. But the new trailer doesn't give me the same feeling as before, there is just something that is off... Maybe its me. Sorry....The whole rant about Star Wars fans being impossible to please was not meant to be directed at you. I was responding to the previous posts about the MF being the same. Quote
Cyberfounder Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) The stormtroopers look chaotic? How so? It's a bunch of troopers lined up on a landing craft. And "Mace Windu as a stormtrooper" sounds ignorant. Stormtroopers are just recruits. It's pretty much always been that way, except for a brief period in the early 2000s when George seemed to want to indicate that they were all Jango Fetts... yet he didn't have Morrison re-dub all the trooper lines in the OT the same way he re-dubbed Boba Fett, and they could've done all of that in the same recording session easily. But canon is very clear now that stormies are not clones, especially not Jango clones... however the cloning process worked, the Kaminoans were already unable to clone Jangos for much longer as of TCW Season 2, letting Shaak Ti know the Jedi would soon have to choose a new template (which never happened, obviously). Clones take a decade to grow and 'program', which is a costly enterprise in both time & money, and it's far cheaper to recruit from among the billions & billions of loyal Imperial citizens, especially the youth, who can be trained up in only a couple years. The war was over, and the Jedi Order shattered. The clones--supersoldiers--had completed their mission (be a 'faceless' army to match the droid army on the other side of Palpatine's puppet-war to, and a secret weapon against the Jedi). You don't need supersoldiers to merely keep the peace and put down the odd little uprising in what is known by the Jedi as "the dark times" but known by most of the galaxy as "peacetime", and the Rebel Alliance wasn't around in a great enough capacity nearly long enough for a new batch of supersoldiers to be required, let alone fully grown, by the time the OT ended. There's no reason whatsoever for stormtroopers to not be any ethnicity... and we also already know gender isn't a barrier, either. The actual fan made trailers that were released before the official teaser were far more 'fan made'-looking than the real deal, with obvious video-game footage, footage from fan films, audio pulled from non-Star Wars projects (one line was actually Ford in Anchorman 2), etc. Someone mentioned if we knew the names of the Summer sets weren't for Microfighters... we have numbers & prices associated with them, but also--so far--Microfighters are a winter-wave thing (disappointing as that is, as it'll probably be years before we have both a Flash Speeder Microfighter & an Imperial Shuttle Microfighter, not to mention all the other fun ones they can do like A-wings, Y-wings, B-wings, Hound's Tooth, Moldy Crow, Ebon Hawk, Slave II, Z-95, Sith Infiltrator, Rogue Shadow, etc) I was aiming at the fact that there are stormtroopers again and someone mention that the guy popping up in the trailer was force sensitive. I don't know why that would make me ignorant. And that landing looks chaotic, not the stormtroopers. People take things out of context so fast... Everything is an insult to someone or something. Edited January 17, 2015 by Cyberfounder Quote
Venkefedo Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Fair enough. There aren't stormtroopers "again", there are stormtroopers "still"... and many people seemed to have a huge problem with the skin color of Finn the stormie in the teaser, some ignorant of the lack of clones, some ignorant in other ways. So he's Force-sensitive, so what? We don't even know that for sure, there's concept art of him lighting up a saber but Han lit up a saber in ESB... if he's Force-sensitive, it's despite being a stormtrooper, not that all stormies use the Force... Luke dressed as a stormtrooper, and he was Force-sensitive... ...the teaser is just a teaser, it doesn't show or tell us the whole story--or even much of the story at all... we know there's a desert world, we know the Empire is still around in some capacity and in a position to fire upon the Falcon, we know there are new X-wings with pilots sporting the Alliance crest on their gear, we know there's a stormtrooper panicked and on the run, that a group of stormtroopers landed to invade someplace, and that there's both a little rolling droid (who is practical! Cast & guests got to drive the droid around by remote!) and some young lady on a speeder also on the desert world, and some guy dressed in black in a forest of what looks like a chilly world with a strange red saber. And we also know the names of most of the characters in the teaser: Finn, BB-8, Rey, Poe Dameron, and Kylo Ren. That is still very little compared to the entire film! Quote
Jedi-Bendu Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Fair enough. There aren't stormtroopers "again", there are stormtroopers "still"... and many people seemed to have a huge problem with the skin color of Finn the stormie in the teaser, some ignorant of the lack of clones, some ignorant in other ways. So he's Force-sensitive, so what? We don't even know that for sure, there's concept art of him lighting up a saber but Han lit up a saber in ESB... if he's Force-sensitive, it's despite being a stormtrooper, not that all stormies use the Force... Luke dressed as a stormtrooper, and he was Force-sensitive... ...the teaser is just a teaser, it doesn't show or tell us the whole story--or even much of the story at all... we know there's a desert world, we know the Empire is still around in some capacity and in a position to fire upon the Falcon, we know there are new X-wings with pilots sporting the Alliance crest on their gear, we know there's a stormtrooper panicked and on the run, that a group of stormtroopers landed to invade someplace, and that there's both a little rolling droid (who is practical! Cast & guests got to drive the droid around by remote!) and some young lady on a speeder also on the desert world, and some guy dressed in black in a forest of what looks like a chilly world with a strange red saber. And we also know the names of most of the characters in the teaser: Finn, BB-8, Rey, Poe Dameron, and Kylo Ren. That is still very little compared to the entire film! Well, those who follow the SW newssites and have seen the leaked pix and read all the spoilers (of which some will be fake) know more than this. I hope the movie will rock (and if 'spoilerman' (a person who 'leaked' almost everything 2 months ago......) has spoken the truth it will (even though it is likely he's Supershadow II), but there's a lot I really hate: Gwendolyn Christie (aargghhhh, why god? why? Why did they cast her? There was a rumor Ben Cumberbatch was also considered for the part....why not get him?), the name Poe Dameron. Dameron is fine....but Poe? Poe is one of the Teletubbies! Of all the Star Wars names there have ever been I have never disliked a name the second I heard it. I guess there's a first time for everything....... The casting of Ep7 doesn't get me excited. I remember in the late 90's the casting for Episode I had a 'wow' effect. Neeson? Great! Portman? Leon was cool! McGregor? No way, I loved Trainspotting and he was the best. Sam Jackson? Jules from Trainspotting in SW? It can't get any better! Abrams made a giant mess of the last movie of another franchise I like......I hope he does better with SW. Regarding the comments SW (and CW, Rebels) are 'childish': as Rollermonkey pointed out it has always been this way. I hope Ep7 will also be for kids as well as adults for various reasons. Quote
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