Vodnik Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Yeah, actually I was more thinking of a comparison to the source material being the actual movie versus the lego set... Exactly. In a few days we will only know whether the Lego set design is significantly different from other toy makers products. In my opinion they should be pretty similar, because most likely Disney provided the same reference materials to all licensed toy manufacturers. But it could have been the same unfinished preliminary concept art material. So even if all toys of Kylo's shuttle revealed on Friday have the wings that only extend upward, we still cannot be sure that this is what we will see in the movie. Quote
Darth Malgus Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Thanks Vodnik, someone understood my point. Quote
Nokturn Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 So even if all toys of Kylo's shuttle revealed on Friday have the wings that only extend upward, we still cannot be sure that this is what we will see in the movie. Exactly. This is tied to the point I've been trying to make. We can speculate all we want on the toys right up until December, but that's not really going to make a difference until we see what's in the movie. And, I have a feeling that Disney won't specifically address the confusion over one ship, so I doubt we'll be seeing any marketing material that clarifies that. Like a lot of questions we have about the film itself, we'll just have to wait until we see it for ourselves. To me, it makes absolutely NO sense to have two identical ships, the only difference between them is that the wings fold outwards. Why, exactly, would they design something that way? What is the purpose? I don't doubt that the shuttle exists outside of it belonging to Kylo, (Similar to Palpatine's Lambda-class in ROTJ), but I seriously do doubt that they'd design two identical ships with the only difference being the angle of the wings. It simply does not make sense, which is why I disagree with everyone saying that they're two different ships. Ultimately, we won't know until December 18th. Unfortunate? Sure. But it's going to be a sweet journey. Quote
Vectormatic Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 To me, it makes absolutely NO sense to have two identical ships, the only difference between them is that the wings fold outwards. Why, exactly, would they design something that way? In the OT, the imperial dropship and the lambda class shuttle look really similar from certain angles, and the TIEs all looks pretty similar too, from certain angles it is nearly impossible to tell an interceptor from a tie advanced, or the tie advanced from a bomber. It makes sense to design ships in similar ways to create a coherent look for a faction. the point that sticks out for me in favor of the two ships theory is the bottom wings on the lego model, the V ship in the teaser has nothing of the sort, so unless they are folded REALLY flat on to the bottom (which the lego model doesnt do, not even close) that would be a pretty fundamental difference. I agree that we'll only know for sure in december though, and i think some people here are just hoping it are two different ships so the lego set isnt a bomb, im not planning on getting it myself, but it'd suck if they do a bunch of inaccurate sets. Quote
benjiv1 Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 In the OT, the imperial dropship and the lambda class shuttle look really similar from certain angles, and the TIEs all looks pretty similar too, from certain angles it is nearly impossible to tell an interceptor from a tie advanced, or the tie advanced from a bomber. It makes sense to design ships in similar ways to create a coherent look for a faction. the point that sticks out for me in favor of the two ships theory is the bottom wings on the lego model, the V ship in the teaser has nothing of the sort, so unless they are folded REALLY flat on to the bottom (which the lego model doesnt do, not even close) that would be a pretty fundamental difference. I agree that we'll only know for sure in december though, and i think some people here are just hoping it are two different ships so the lego set isnt a bomb, im not planning on getting it myself, but it'd suck if they do a bunch of inaccurate sets. A trailer could clarify it as well. If we either saw a reverse angle shot from the scene in the trailer, or if we see a ship that resembles the Lego one, but has a different back than the one in the trailer, that would likely do the trick. Personally, I'm of the opinion that Kylo's shuttle is different from the one we see from behind in the trailer, strictly based on how similar the Lego version and the Titanium mini is. Quote
nymmerod Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 In the OT, the imperial dropship and the lambda class shuttle look really similar from certain angles... which ship is the imperial dropship? just curious. I don't remember anything like the lambda in the OT. Quote
jhaelego Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 which ship is the imperial dropship? just curious. I don't remember anything like the lambda in the OT. I believe he's refering to the imperial landing craft. There was a Lego set of it at one point. Quote
nymmerod Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Thanks for that jhaelego. And in my opinion, which is not worth much, I think we have a situation like the armorless Azog and Dain having an axe instead of a hammer in the Lego Hobbit set 79017 for Battle of Five Armies. The set is based on a design that changed in film production but it was too late in the TLG process to update anything. Quote
Vectormatic Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 I believe he's refering to the imperial landing craft. There was a Lego set of it at one point. That's the one, i have the lego set Quote
Renegade Clone Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Just a heads up - a rather good photograph of the box artwork for the Revell T-70 X-wing model kit has surfaced, might be handy for accurising 75102 in a few days time! Potential spoilers so be warned! Quote
fire117 Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Just a heads up - a rather good photograph of the box artwork for the Revell T-70 X-wing model kit has surfaced, might be handy for accurising 75102 in a few days time! Potential spoilers so be warned! Photobucket is down for maintenance at the moment. Quote
Kdapt-Preacher Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 It's not impossible that the design of the ship changed dramatically between LEGO's design and the actual movie, but that would be a screw-up well beyond the level of anything we've seen before, with Star Wars or LEGO or Disney. Sure, stuff like the colors of Kallus's uniform changing slightly from the concept artwork makes sense. That's perfectly reasonable. But this kind of fundamental design change, that really impacts playability? The set's not a lot of good if kids can't make it fly. I just can't see that happening. There are way too many competent people working on this, especially given that this would heavily impact sales/marketing of this set and any other toys based on the shuttle--which there will likely be plenty of. Neither Disney nor Lego nor Hasbro nor any of the other companies that Disney works with are known for releasing crappy products, and if that kind of error had been made we would definitely be looking at a crappy product. I think it more likely that there are several similar ships--see all the TIE variants, or the LAAT variants, or the Lambda/Theta/Sentinel shuttles, or X-wings/Z-95s. Someone who hadn't seen the movie (as we haven't) could easily look at the LEGO Z-95 and think "WTF? The wings don't split! This is a garbage X-wing!", and they'd be one hundred percent correct in that assessment, but not for the reason they thought. Quote
Nokturn Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 It's not impossible that the design of the ship changed dramatically between LEGO's design and the actual movie, but that would be a screw-up well beyond the level of anything we've seen before... Again, I'd like to reiterate that it wouldn't be a screw-up. It wouldn't even be a minor mistake or oversight. It's an unfortunate and very true reality of releasing toys months before the film is released. In this age, they can tweak and outright change things in the film right up until release. Toy companies do not have the luxury of changing the product halfway through the production stages. If you remember back to when we got the very first leak, it was of the cover of a FINALIZED instruction book. The sets were already finalized, and in the production phase several months ago. So, when the film comes out, we may see quite a few inaccuracies between the toys and what's in the film itself. In an ideal world, everything would be perfectly accurate. But it likely won't be. Whether it's a simple colour, or an entire play feature. And again, I don't really see why it's a problem... anyone with a decent collection of bricks can easily change anything that they don't like. That's what I'll be doing for the funtion of the wings on one set, as well as the colour of the wings on another. Quote
IronFish Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) I've found Kylo's shuttle and the Falcon at my local Kroger, but they were a little hidden away. Edited September 1, 2015 by IronFish Quote
aaroncb Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 wow. what a gongshow this is, I'm struggling to get up to speed on this. we can't name sets, numbers or prices? I'm travelling 5 hours to mainland Nova Scotia because my local Walmart fails at getting stock when they're supposed to. I actually got paranoid and called Lego to confirm they're even releasing them force Friday and after a discussion the gentleman I spoke to in a roundabout way named Disney specifically as being behind the (failed) uber super Area 51 illuminati secrecy that's been taking place with almost every brand involved. Quote
Richpepperell Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Just in case you still need him for you Death Star conference, Hothbricks are reporting that the Admiral Yularen minifigure will be a promotional item on Force Friday. Good that there is a promotion, bad that it's not something TFA related. http://www.hothbricks.com/2015/09/force-friday-sur-le-shophome-ce-sera-yularen/ Quote
Datamunky Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Just picked up my SW Advent Calendar from John Lewis (in UK). Still expected in late September in Argos and my local toy shop. Oh and Tesco have a clubcard points boost on all Lego too, £5 in clubcard points = £10. Quote
TheOneVeyronian Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 May I ask something related to the SW advent calendar? Isn't it supposed to be released today on S@H? I for the life of me cannot find it anywhere on the UK S@H, even though the other two advent calendars are on there and available. It's always been released on S@H on September 1st and always alongside the other calendars. So where is it? The only reason why I can think it's not on S@H is that it's being deliberately held back to be released with the TFA and Battle Figures sets on Friday... can anyone shed some light on this? I don't know, it just seems odd that S@H isn't selling it yet Also, a random question: do you guys think all the LEGO Stores (particularly UK stores, because that's where I am) are going to be extremely busy on Force Friday, and is there a risk that the sets may sell out at physical stores the day they're released? I don't want to turn up at the Watford store, queue for half an hour to get in only to find the sets I came for sold out before I got in. That's my idea of a nightmare Quote
just2good Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 May I ask something related to the SW advent calendar? Isn't it supposed to be released today on S@H? I for the life of me cannot find it anywhere on the UK S@H, even though the other two advent calendars are on there and available. It's always been released on S@H on September 1st and always alongside the other calendars. So where is it? The only reason why I can think it's not on S@H is that it's being deliberately held back to be released with the TFA and Battle Figures sets on Friday... can anyone shed some light on this? I don't know, it just seems odd that S@H isn't selling it yet Also, a random question: do you guys think all the LEGO Stores (particularly UK stores, because that's where I am) are going to be extremely busy on Force Friday, and is there a risk that the sets may sell out at physical stores the day they're released? I don't want to turn up at the Watford store, queue for half an hour to get in only to find the sets I came for sold out before I got in. That's my idea of a nightmare Nah, it's getting released Force Friday. Quote
aaroncb Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 it's showing up on the Canadian s@h, for me anyway. Quote
karmajay Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Just got an email from Amazon this morning that my Advent calendar has been shipped. Quote
ISDAvenger Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Same here, will be delivered tomorrow. Just got an email from Amazon this morning that my Advent calendar has been shipped. Quote
TheOneVeyronian Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Nah, it's getting released Force Friday. That's odd, other places are saying S@H is just late getting them up - but I think you're right, even though the calendar has little to do with the TFA sets and really should have been released at the same time as other advent calendars, like it has been for the last 3-4 years. But I suppose it makes sense for LEGO's direct retail channels to just put out all new SW stuff on the same day. Now to decide whether I should pick one up on Friday when I go buy some TFA and Battle Figures sets, or wait until they're under £20 on Amazon like I've done the last two years... Quote
eric729 Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Just in case you still need him for you Death Star conference, Hothbricks are reporting that the Admiral Yularen minifigure will be a promotional item on Force Friday. Good that there is a promotion, bad that it's not something TFA related. http://www.hothbrick...e-sera-yularen/ Do we know if it is only S@H or can you get it in store as well? Quote
Vodnik Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 Just in case you still need him for you Death Star conference, Hothbricks are reporting that the Admiral Yularen minifigure will be a promotional item on Force Friday. Good that there is a promotion, bad that it's not something TFA related. http://www.hothbricks.com/2015/09/force-friday-sur-le-shophome-ce-sera-yularen/ Meh... I already have three Yularens :/ Quote
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