Ninjago 2015

[Mandate]

We know a fair amount about his power source's history for the duration of which it's been a plot point, and Zane has been "inside his robot body" the entire time. He isn't a spirit, either. The Overlord's ashes at Borg Tower was what corrupted the NNC mainframe and caused him to come back to life. Zane started his life in Dr Julien's treehouse ( ), and has only been living since then. This is established canon, and multiple quotes from Dr Julien indicate Julien invented Zane. There's no evidence or anything to support the idea that Zane is a spirit or that he was once human.

Anyway, we need to move this conversation to the topic in Culture and Multimedia. It's getting really off-topic now.

[LegendsOfNinjago]

I heard something about January 16th or something for the premiere of season 5...So I guess we'll just wait. UGGGGGGG still makes me mad, I'd been saving up my money for the end of November in hope of these sets...

[LegendsOfNinjago]

okay so i'm starting to not believe this website...It claims pirates won't be out until April...either that or i'm just in denial because i wan't new ninjago sets...there all so beauttiful...:(

[TPLSTER21]

If you live in North America, I wouldn't worry too much about release dates posted on European websites. Those release dates are for Europe and may even be country specific within Europe. For the last couple of years, the Winter 2015 sets were on retailer shelves between late November to early-mid December depending on where in North America you are. I have no insider information whatsoever, but I think it is pretty much a given that these sets will be out in N.A. within the next month or so. Europe always gets stuff a bit later depending on the theme.

[Cagast]

If you live in North America, I wouldn't worry too much about release dates posted on European websites. Those release dates are for Europe and may even be country specific within Europe. For the last couple of years, the Winter 2015 sets were on retailer shelves between late November to early-mid December depending on where in North America you are. I have no insider information whatsoever, but I think it is pretty much a given that these sets will be out in N.A. within the next month or so. Europe always gets stuff a bit later depending on the theme.

Not really, I live in Europe and had 2014 sets in December.

We know a fair amount about his power source's history for the duration of which it's been a plot point.

There must be something significant about his power source. Think about it, why did they kill of Dr.Julien?

Edited November 6, 2014 by Cagast

[LegendsOfNinjago]

I live in the middle of the good ol' U S of A and we got sets late nov. last year, but i also got my first 4 sets off amazon. They were just cheaper that way. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I also want to point out that I think that Dojo Showdown is an exclusive. First, because it shows up at the end of the number line (like most exclusives do) and it also has a repeat weapon (the green scythe) which is also typically the sign of a exclusive (the Destructoid) Just my thoughts.

[Cagast]

It also has 'exclusive' feel in it.

[Aanchir]

Considering it's now canonical that Wrong Place, Wrong Time insanely messed up the original plot-line, they could easily change a whole bunch of things. But anyway, I really want to see a new ninja team soon. Costume changes are getting noticeably... weaker. What I mean is, while all of the Minifigures we've gotten over the years are very pretty there's been a noticeable decline. I really want to see something like the DX suits again, they were easily my favorites.

Personally, I consider the DX costumes the weakest in the entire theme. They are not printed with any wrinkles or creases or anything to suggest what material they're made out of — they're just flat patterns on an otherwise blank torso. I think the "Rebooted" costumes have been some of the best, bringing together some of the coolest attributes of all the previous costumes. Their only major fault is the lack of leg printing.

Next year's costumes also seem pretty awesome to me, especially since each Ninja gets two separate costume designs like they did in 2011 and 2012. The regular hooded outfits have an awesome layered feeling like the classic or ZX costumes, while the sleeveless costumes give me a delightful 80s martial arts vibe. Also, it's cool that printed legs are back for both costume designs. They're not quite as diverse as the ZX or Rebooted costumes, but they still feel really awesome.

Edited November 6, 2014 by Aanchir

[PenPlays]

Regarding the potential March release date in the US. On the December Calendar (again US) it only states Star Wars, Friends, Princesses and The Lego Movie specifically. Now I know that Bionicle has been officially confirmed for January (judging by all the reviews, they might show up sooner...), but Speed Champions were officially revealed for a March release. However, on Speilwaren, Speed Champions is slated for April.

Princesses are in January, Bionicle comes in February, Chima in January according to Speilwaren. I guess the best thing here would be to wait and save, as we really have no idea when these sets will release in the next four months.

[Cagast]

Next year's costumes also seem pretty awesome to me, especially since each Ninja gets two separate costume designs like they did in 2011 and 2012.

Except Skylar, she has only one costume design and that is probably because she is a new character. I hope she will have a good, rare or totally new hairpiece if they are going to release second variation of her.

[Aanchir]

Except Skylar, she has only one costume design and that is probably because she is a new character. I hope she will have a good, rare or totally new hairpiece if they are going to release second variation of her.

I had been thinking we might not need another version of her since (as you say) she's a new character... kind of like how we never got a Kendo version of Lloyd, and the closest we got to an NRG version was the Golden Ninja from 2012. But I hadn't even thought about the fact that getting a sleeveless version would mean getting a version of her with hair. That makes me really hope that a sleeveless version might be coming, either in the mysterious 70751 or in one of the sets next summer!

[Mandate]

Personally, I consider the DX costumes the weakest in the entire theme. They are not printed with any wrinkles or creases or anything to suggest what material they're made out of — they're just flat patterns on an otherwise blank torso. I think the "Rebooted" costumes have been some of the best, bringing together some of the coolest attributes of all the previous costumes. Their only major fault is the lack of leg printing.

Next year's costumes also seem pretty awesome to me, especially since each Ninja gets two separate costume designs like they did in 2011 and 2012. The regular hooded outfits have an awesome layered feeling like the classic or ZX costumes, while the sleeveless costumes give me a delightful 80s martial arts vibe. Also, it's cool that printed legs are back for both costume designs. They're not quite as diverse as the ZX or Rebooted costumes, but they still feel really awesome.

No creases or wrinkles? They all have some, just only around the torso. It suggests a tight fabric - perfect for riding a dragon up in the air - and the reason there aren't any notable folds is because it would detract from the fancy look of them. On the back however I have to agree with you, there was no real "texture" at all.

[Aanchir]

No creases or wrinkles? They all have some, just only around the torso. It suggests a tight fabric - perfect for riding a dragon up in the air - and the reason there aren't any notable folds is because it would detract from the fancy look of them. On the back however I have to agree with you, there was no real "texture" at all.

Right! I had forgotten they had those creases around their belt line.

I definitely feel like the look of the DX costumes makes sense. I just don't find it as interesting. I might be a bit biased since I've tried multiple times to sketch out what various Ninjago costumes would look like on a human frame (example), and in those cases I feel like more costumes with a more complex "assembly" end up looking more interesting. That's part of why I like the ZX and Rebooted costumes so much. Not only are they extremely diverse (with each ninja having a different armor design), but they also have many different colors, materials, and layers. Their main drawback is that like most Ninjago costumes, they lack detail on the legs, which isn't a huge issue on the minifigures themselves but is more noticeable in drawings or cosplay due to real humans typically having longer legs.

The NRG forms are also among my favorites, but for a totally different reason — rather than being just another costume, they feel more like the Ninja have magically transformed into their actual elements, which is pretty darn cool whatever way you slice it.

[Cagast]

I wonder will Skylar possess any element (she most likely will). In that case, she might get her NRG variant too. That sounds unlikely but logically, if she is the choosen one she has to unlock her true/full potential too (unless she did). (Altough she is probably not the choosen one because she would need to give her powers to Lloyd while he was transforming to the golden ninja).

Edited November 7, 2014 by Cagast

[Mandate]

Doubtful. There are no more Golden Weapons, therefore no NRG. Not even the Elemental Blades, which were said to be purer (and more stable?) than the Golden Weapons, and they couldn't access NRG powers.

Also, what are you talking about? Lloyd was the Chosen One, the one prophesied to defeat (Over)Lord Garmadon and free the land from darkness. She/he will likely have no elemental powers, because there are only four Elements. The "fifth element" (green power) is a culmination of all five. If they introduced a new element it's going to rub off in the canon, like the MegaWeapon or the Tornado of Creation.

Anyway, if she does have elemental powers, and is what they referred to at Comic Con (was that where we got the confirmation regarding new characters with elemental powers?) it will probably be fire. It's too late to introduce a brand new element, even if they keep beating the dead horse that is Wrong Place, Wrong Time.

[Cagast]

Also, what are you talking about? Lloyd was the Chosen One, the one prophesied to defeat (Over)Lord Garmadon and free the land from darkness.

I am talking about that if she had the new element, that would ruin 4 elemental choosen ninjas that were supposed to protect Lloyd and help him to unlock his golden ninja potential. I disn't even think that she is the Choosen One (green ninja), but choosen ninja to protect Lloyd along with 4 original ninjas. And that due to the fact that he became the golden ninja without her connected to the story, she will most likely not have any new element. But you actually said that in your comment, so I just made things clear about what I meant by saying "choosen one", I actually meant choosen one to protect the golden ninja, not the choosen one to be the golden ninja. I said it wrong.

Anyway, all this is proof that Skylar will most likely not have any new element, and eve if she will, that will not be connected to Lloyd's story any way.

[Aanchir]

I don't think the possibility of her having a new elemental power necessarily contradicts anything in the previous story. As far as I know there's never really been anything that says that ONLY the Ninja destined to protect the Green Ninja can have unique elemental powers, even if the other Spinjitzu users we've seen have not been masters of a unique element.

[Mandate]

new elemental power

The most powerful move in all of spinjitzu can only be accomplished when all four elements are combined

Introducing a new element throws off pretty much well everything that's happened prior. The First Spinjitzu Master created Ninjago with the four Elemental Weapons, and while there was technically a 'fifth' in the form of an Elemental Blade it had a connection to Lloyd's power, and Lloyd doesn't have control over 5 elements, only 1 (previous 2) alternate power. It also begs the question as to why a fifth element has never been brought up in the plot, with the Overlord it was understandable but after all they've gone through, everything they've done, why would it take so long to mention it? Unless of course, it's introduced as some weird new diet pill thing Cyrus accidentally invented. But it's pretty clear that if Skylar does have any form of powers, they'll be either existing ones or something Cyrus whipped up (in the case of which, it's not a new 'element'. New power, yes. New element, no.)

[Cagast]

Then who will be a new character/characters who possesses an elemental power/powers? Anacondrai?

[Mandate]

I never ruled out a new character featuring elemental powers, only a new element. Skylar may very well have elemental powers, but if it's a brand spanking new *ELEMENT* rather than power, it's going to come as even more of a slap in the face than the massive retcons they did all throughout Season 3. And all the really lame attempts to cover up silly mistakes. I like to pretend The Void (and part of Codename: Arcturus) never happened, easily one of the biggest offenses to the entire style of NINJAGO. The laser assault rifles in semi-realistic ballistic weaponry style, the fact that space suits were on a ship designed for Nindroids, etc... as for Arcturus, the military-style convoys, the Nindroid head decapitation and whatnot really let me down on those. Even if they were just Nindroids, it's still a very brutal kind of death. Vitruvius' death in TLM came as a huge shock, but they turned it into a big joke in the end. Whereas actual characters, even Nindroids, getting destroyed in a brutal way is very out of style for NINJAGO. We saw a snake jump out of a pit of lava with his bum on fire, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Those episodes portrayed battle without death of any kind, but not in a cheesy way like Chima's were. And I don't think I even need to explain why laser assault rifles are out of place. Cryptor has a grenade launcher in his chest and all Nindroids have a laser built into their eye, etc and regardless of this it was still a massive change to suddenly see actual guns in the plot.

Things like this actually have tempted me to abandon NINJAGO and it's starting to spread. LEGO, to me, is starting to become like Hasbro or dare I say it, Mega Bloks. Mega Bloks ha a habit of releasing sets for franchises many would deem "innapropriate" for kids. PotC and LoTR are a bit different to this, and mostly acceptable, but now we're getting sets for The Big Bang Theory and it's making me worried LEGO's starting to skimp on making things friendly for everyone. If stuff like this keeps happening I'm going to be jumping ship, no doubt.

Sorry for the massively off topic post.

[Agent Fusion]

As for the Nindroids having more serious weaponry, these are robots built with a specific purpose: turn the Overlord into the Golden Master, destroying anything that attempts to stop them. These machines have no morality and will do whatever it takes to get the job done, as shown by the more serious weaponry. As for decapitation, these are, again, robots. It's no more brutal than a Micro Manager being eaten by Angry Kitty.

[Cagast]

You can't be sure that Arcturus is designed only for Nindroids. Pythor or Borg would have need to use those space suits. And as Agent Fusion said Nindroids are ROBOTS. If you think that robots' deaths can be brutal then Angry Kitty eating the Micro Manger would be as brutal as Pythor eating somebody on screen, which is not.

[Bricknblue]

The prices for the 2015 ninjago sets in us dollars are:

Jungle Trap: $8.99

Lava falls: $12.99

Anacondrai Crusher: $19.99

Electro Mech: $19.99

Jungle Raider: $19.99

Condrai Copter attack: $29.99

Dojo Showdown: $29.99

Boulder Blaster: $29.99

Titanium Dragon: $39.99

Enter the Serpent: $69.99

Ninja DB X: $79.99

Someone tell Brickset, those prices look better than theirs.

[Meiko]

Someone tell Brickset, those prices look better than theirs.

I'd change them on Brickset but it'd be nice to know sources for both Brickset's current prices and those that amazingbricks shared so I could determine which is more likely accurate. Or on the other hand just wait for official prices.

[Cagast]

I'd change them on Brickset but it'd be nice to know sources for both Brickset's current prices and those that amazingbricks shared so I could determine which is more likely accurate. Or on the other hand just wait for official prices.

Better wait for the offical prices because nobody knows which prices are more accurate, but I believe it is the second