[MT] Technic Model Team Contest - Information Topic

[TheItalianBrick]

then JIM, you are a lord!

Talking about digital models, well, since I moved to UK I left all my bricks in Italy, so hopefully I'll make first a 3D model, then I'll see if there is enough time for purchasing the bricks and assembly a model! Too busy OMG..... :cry_happy: :wacko: :wacko:

[Edwin Korstanje]

Thanks again Jim,

And yes i will make a lot more funtions on it than the Sea Jet .

[Jim]

Thanks again Jim,

And yes i will make a lot more funtions on it than the Sea Jet .

Cool! Looking forward to your entry

[legomuppet9]

I do feel the ship on the picture lacks some Technic functionality.

I see it has moving engines, but that's about it:

to be fair... most common function of a model team model is steering, and the engines moving is a boats way of steering... so.... (plus I want to see another ship )

[D3K]

Indeed, it does seem like the pinnacle of technical functionality in an official Model Team set, is steering. Even the monster truck didn't even have suspension, if I remember correctly..

[Seasider]

Ok quick q for Model Team is it just the front axle that steers or is there a HOG or is the steering wheel linked ?

I've started to come up with an idea in LDD, which is a pain to build in using studded for the first time!

So as you've opened a fun part for LDD I might enter that ... Perhaps even build it in real bricks if it doesn't work out too expensive and I like the finished model!

[Erik Leppen]

This sounds like a well founded argument. If you promise to enter the contest with a newly built ship, I will increase the dimensions to 46x16

What kind of nonsense is this?

The rules say 45 x 15. So the rule is 45 x 15. It was 45 x 15 for a reason, right? I completely understand asking questions about the rules or asking about things that raen't stated or are unclear, but my idea of fair play is that if the rules say 45 x 15, you don't go ask for 46 x 16 and try to adapt the rules to your idea. You adapt your idea to the rules given. That's what challenges are for - to be creative within a given set of rules. Restriction is what sprouts creative ideas.

Also "If you promise to enter the contest with a newly built ship". What? There is already a rule that entries need to be new, so this is vacuous.

Sorry if I come across as a dickhead (as I probably do) but I just don't understand the thought process behind asking to move the goal posts a little bit to make way for something that otherwise simply wouldn't fit. That something that in my eyes you simply don't do. The size limit was clear - there's no reason to ask for a change here. And as said, if you can't work with 15, work with 14.

Also, Jim, could you please explain why the argument made by VFracingteam in post #63 is somehow better than the arguments made by Milan in post #16 and JGW3000 in post #55, who both asked for the same thing but got rejected?

[jantjeuh]

C'mon, no need to make a big deal out of this. Size limit is 46 x 16, deal with it

[Blakbird]

I don't think that digital and physical entries mix well in the same contest. There's are just too many things that you can do in one and not the other, and vice versa. I do like the idea of digital models though, and maybe that is in an idea for the next contest. There are a lot of tricks that are unique to digital building, and it would be interesting to see those skills pitted against each other.

[Theo van Vroenhoven]

Rule #1 of each contest/competition: don't change the rules if the contest/competition has already started.

And since this one already started I wouldn't change a thing about the rules but just explain them when they are unclear.

So I agreed with Erik: stick to 45x15

[TheItalianBrick]

Rule #1 of each contest/competition: don't change the rules if the contest/competition has already started.

And since this one already started I wouldn't change a thing about the rules but just explain them when they are unclear.

So I agreed with Erik: stick to 45x15

Well, if you have already done something 15X45 you should take as a a good challange for yourself! I don't see that big issues cm'on! If he was saying "use only 100 pieces rather than 500 I would understand!

[Jim]

What kind of nonsense is this?

The rules say 45 x 15. So the rule is 45 x 15. It was 45 x 15 for a reason, right? I completely understand asking questions about the rules or asking about things that raen't stated or are unclear, but my idea of fair play is that if the rules say 45 x 15, you don't go ask for 46 x 16 and try to adapt the rules to your idea. You adapt your idea to the rules given. That's what challenges are for - to be creative within a given set of rules. Restriction is what sprouts creative ideas.

Also "If you promise to enter the contest with a newly built ship". What? There is already a rule that entries need to be new, so this is vacuous.

Sorry if I come across as a dickhead (as I probably do) but I just don't understand the thought process behind asking to move the goal posts a little bit to make way for something that otherwise simply wouldn't fit. That something that in my eyes you simply don't do. The size limit was clear - there's no reason to ask for a change here. And as said, if you can't work with 15, work with 14.

Also, Jim, could you please explain why the argument made by VFracingteam in post #63 is somehow better than the arguments made by Milan in post #16 and JGW3000 in post #55, who both asked for the same thing but got rejected?

Milan: Biggest reason, for me, is that it is very awkward to build in uneven width with modelteam style. 16 studs wide would be perfect.

JWG3000: many Model Team builds use studded Technic bricks, that are even studs in length, how about changing the maximum dimensions to 46x16 so as to better accommodate Technic bricks rather than Technic beams?

Both arguments are about the dimension being uneven. If that's your argument, then my reply can be as simple as "use 44x14 instead". VFRacingteam used an argument about using a particular scale, which was enough for me to decide to alter the rules after all. I thought it might make more people happy, but I guess you can't please 'em all.

Rule #1 of each contest/competition: don't change the rules if the contest/competition has already started.

And since this one already started I wouldn't change a thing about the rules but just explain them when they are unclear.

So I agreed with Erik: stick to 45x15

I come up with rules and sometimes I am not 100% sure about them. So a little debate can pursuade me to change them a bit. And like TheItalianBrick said; it's not like I am changing the foundation of the contest. We are talking one stud here.

And I do get the feeling that some of you think that making something 16 wide instead of 14 wide is by definition better.

So guys, please lighten up a little bit and try to put yourself in my place. I am trying to do what's in the best interest of the contest and I am trying to please most of you, instead of being a dickhead myself and simply say no to all requests.

[Jim]

Next time I will make sure the rules are clearly defined (and fixed) before the contest, to avoid this discussion

[jantjeuh]

Don't let them get you down Ted, you're doing a great job. I agree with the dimensions change.

[Erik Leppen]

VFRacingteam used an argument about using a particular scale, which was enough for me to decide to alter the rules after all.

I'd like to build a truck that is 3 meters wide at a scale of 1 : 22. That will come down to be very close to 17 studs. Can we change the width to 17?

See what I did there? The number 22 sounds like any arbitrary number to me, just as the number 90 used by VF. I see nothing special about the number 1 : 90. He can use scale 1 : 100 and it will be within 15. That's why I personally think his argument doesn't hold water, and that's why I started this argument.

So guys, please lighten up a little bit and try to put yourself in my place. I am trying to do what's in the best interest of the contest and I am trying to please most of you

Which is perfectly OK :) Don't worry. I'm not displeased. I'm just quite strong with my principles, and in principle I'm not even against changing competition rules (I have done so myself). I'm much more against asking for changing competition rules by entrants for reasons that don't seem to benefit everybody. Also when I feel one of my principles are broken, I can get very vocal about it, especially if I don't see others mentioning it, just to show another train of thought that others might not have thought about. Please don't see it as an attack on whoever, it's a way of trying to make people think in new ways. Seeing post #88 makes me think I succeeded :)

(Also please note that English is not my mother tongue so expressing feelings stays hard).

Also I am working on a pretty nice entry (if I may say so myself) :D

[Jim]

We're cool Erik! No hard feelings.

I will do my best to avoid these rule conflicts next time

[Milan]

I like discussions like this one!

I was about to write similar post as Erik did, and use the same 1:90 scale argument as he did, but he stayed awaken longer than me, and beat me to it :)

As I said earlier, original rules 45x15 are perfect-challenge wise, both for us who build vehicles, and for those who create vessels.

Bottom line: its great to have guys on this forum who fight for what they believe, and also to have a guy onboard who fight for the all the members here to be pleased, not an easy task for sure.

Looking forward to all the entries!

[captainmib]

If i want to build an aircraft, how am i gonna fit that in 46x16?

The wings are usually as wide as the aircraft is long. Would that be allowed?

[Milan]

If i want to build an aircraft, how am i gonna fit that in 46x16?

The wings are usually as wide as the aircraft is long. Would that be allowed?

Not trying to be funny or something, but maybe you could make a stand for the plane, and mount the plane so it kinda fly rotated by 90 degrees. That way you could make wings as wide (tall) as you like.

[Jim]

Not trying to be funny or something, but maybe you could make a stand for the plane, and mount the plane so it kinda fly rotated by 90 degrees. That way you could make wings as wide (tall) as you like.

While I like the idea, and basically you are right, it would shed a total different light on other vehicles as well. So I can't allow it.

If i want to build an aircraft, how am i gonna fit that in 46x16?

The wings are usually as wide as the aircraft is long. Would that be allowed?

A helicopter with blades sticking out works for me, and a plane with wings that stick out a stud or two is also fine. But that's the limit. Otherwise you can build a plane roughly the size of the 42025 plane, which is not the idea of the contest.

[TheItalianBrick]

Sorry guys, are tracks allowed? Like a crawler vehicle?

[Jim]

Sorry guys, are tracks allowed? Like a crawler vehicle?

Yup

[Alasdair Ryan]

While I like the idea, and basically you are right, it would shed a total different light on other vehicles as well. So I can't allow it.

That answer is a bit controductive.

Can Jim say in better detail why you can not put your plane on a stand?

Edited August 12, 2014 by Alasdair Ryan

[TheItalianBrick]

That answer is a bit controductive.

Can Jim say in better detail why you can not put your plane on a stand?

Because the model is suppose to be the airplane, not the stand!

Yup

Linear actuator?

[Alasdair Ryan]

Because the model is suppose to be the airplane, not the stand!

Yes but why can you not make the stand part of the model?