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I don't think many of the seemingly rude comments should be taken too seriously, Grievous. We just want to get our agressions out, which, while possibly coming across as hateful, is a rather harmless way of debating. It could be much worse...

Maybe, but the fact remains that it still seems a bit too agressive to be simply called "harmless." More importantly, name calling is the most common form of juvenial insults, frenquently used by young kids. People here are saying that Lego shouldn't listen to those kids, but if so, why are we stooping to their level by tossing semi/rude names around?

Then again, I see what you mean. I think it's partly my problem. I have a disorder that causes my brain to function differently than most people (it's call asbergers (sp)), and one of the affects is that I take things more literally than I should. A joke often sounds literal to me (as members have seen here before), so when people toss around these meaningless "hateful" comments, I feel as though you seriously hate the things you "insult," and almost wish they didn't exist. I know extreme, but it's true.

And as for BZP, it's not really their fault they ban discuscion that eurobricks allows. BZP is made largely up of younger members, thus if they allowed people to joke around like this, the majority of members would either take it as an insult or throw jokes back, and then whole topics would become flame wars. Eurobricks, on the other hand, is made almost entirely up of older teens and adults, people who are mature and can handle stuff like that. Many of BZP's rules may seem unfair, but the fact is that without them, it would be much worse. It literally could become like the official lego club forums, which, as we know, are possibly the worst forums on the entire internet. :-P

As a matter of fact, part of me really wants to come back to eurobricks permantly, and it's mainly just the "hateful joking" that has put me off. Actually, I think even some members here are getting tired of the endless stream of "Greggers jokes." I know I am. Maybe we can just lay off for a bit? :-/

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Greg Farshtey is, well, not very talented (IMO). But he's not a bad person, as Ikki said. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and when you've got the liberty to emphasize your point, then go ahead. We should remember that we're not a dictatorship like FBTB, or living in fear of BZP's admins, their almighty czarness. I don't encourage rudeness, but it was a joke on Lord Admiral's part.

As for weirdest names, they're all weird. Although I do recall a topic about someone naming their kid Gali... 8-|

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I know about 30000 people who would completely disagree with you (one of which, is me). And they all post on a friendly forum called BZP, a forum that actually cares about how many insults members throw at each other and everyone they don't like.

Are you taking age into account? I mean hell, a lot of kids love the PT in Star Wars :-D However, are our members not entitled to their opinions? I thought that was why you "left EB forever", cursing our names or something. If someone calls the person who designed my FAVORITE lego set a talentless hack, would I get insulted? Why would I? I just disagree, and you're free to do just that.

And, although I know I will get dissed for this, I say these things because I'm a Christian. The Bible and God guide my choices every day, and I strive to be as godly a person as possible. That includes not saying hateful things, and that is why I simply can not enjoy this forum any more.

What the heck does your religion have to do anything? You were being quite hateful of this place before you left, and continue to do so.

I could pm him right now on bzp because im part of that site , and i also like bionicle and think that Greg Farshtey is a genius. :skel1:

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but what does having the ability to PM have to do...?

Maybe, but the fact remains that it still seems a bit too agressive to be simply called "harmless." More importantly, name calling is the most common form of juvenial insults, frenquently used by young kids. People here are saying that Lego shouldn't listen to those kids, but if so, why are we stooping to their level by tossing semi/rude names around?

I'm sorry, but there's a LARGE difference between "Talentless hack" and "doodie-head!", the latter to which you'd attribute to a child. I think you're blowing things way out of proportion just because someone insulted one of your favorite "writers". Take it in stride, because everyone is entitled to have opinions that not only differ from yours, but oppose yours. And if you don't like that, then either ignore it, deal with it, or stop reading it. Honestly it's coming across as very childish to me that you're getting so bent out of shape about such a small comment. People call George Lucas a talentless hack all the time, and I don't get bent out of shape about it. In fact, I'm starting to agree...

Then again, I see what you mean. I think it's partly my problem. I have a disorder that causes my brain to function differently than most people (it's call asbergers (sp)), and one of the affects is that I take things more literally than I should. A joke often sounds literal to me (as members have seen here before), so when people toss around these meaningless "hateful" comments, I feel as though you seriously hate the things you "insult," and almost wish they didn't exist. I know extreme, but it's true.

:-D I know all about aspergers, it's actually one of my pet peeves but I'll ignore that. It's just that practically every other person you run across on the net claims to have it, where there's no proof of it being a real condition. It's mainly characterized by social awkwardness, however, and little else. That's really another story though, to me it seems like people just use it as an excuse a lot, but that's really my issue.

And as for BZP, it's not really their fault they ban discuscion that eurobricks allows. BZP is made largely up of younger members, thus if they allowed people to joke around like this, the majority of members would either take it as an insult or throw jokes back, and then whole topics would become flame wars. Eurobricks, on the other hand, is made almost entirely up of older teens and adults, people who are mature and can handle stuff like that. Many of BZP's rules may seem unfair, but the fact is that without them, it would be much worse. It literally could become like the official lego club forums, which, as we know, are possibly the worst forums on the entire internet. :-P

I can agree with that! Though lately the average age here seems to be plummeting...and when that happens, things get complicated and you can't always say what you want or how you feel because someone will take huge offense, so you have to really tone it down, which in a way really defeats the purpose of a forum entirely.

As a matter of fact, part of me really wants to come back to eurobricks permantly, and it's mainly just the "hateful joking" that has put me off. Actually, I think even some members here are getting tired of the endless stream of "Greggers jokes." I know I am. Maybe we can just lay off for a bit? :-/

Well that's a very reasonable request. I think however that people will always have their opinions, and inevitably you will run across people whose views directly oppose yours, and you can't just make them stop all the time. And they can't make you stop...that's the whole point of free speech and expression. I know it can be annoying when someone is saying something that really bugs you, but you can't just make everyone agree. If it helps, I don't think anyone does it to be mean, but rather are expressing their opinions, sometimes without realizing how extreme it can come off as.

Now that that's settled...let's try not to stay off topic, okay?

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What the heck does your religion have to do anything? You were being quite hateful of this place before you left, and continue to do so.

Plenty. As a Christian, I sometimes feel that many of the things allowed here on Eurobricks (language, imuendo, flaming) are not things I should be reading, because it's against what I believe. But, as I said up above, I still feel that I do belong here in some ways, as well as on BZP. I'll just have to take the good with the bad.

I know all about aspergers, it's actually one of my pet peeves but I'll ignore that. It's just that practically every other person you run across on the net claims to have it, where there's no proof of it being a real condition. It's mainly characterized by social awkwardness, however, and little else. That's really another story though, to me it seems like people just use it as an excuse a lot, but that's really my issue.

Actually, you're wrong on that one. Besides social awkwardness, there are many other characteristics, including extreme sensitivity, poor motor skills, and explosive, out of the blue anger and emotion. I have all of those, and more, so my life is not as easy as the average 14 year olds. Fortunately, my parents and God have helped me through so much of this, but these factors have been coming into place through my life, even on here and BZP. My arguments may make no sense because at the time I'm very irrational. I've been trying to work on it though, and I do hope people here can realize that my situation is difficult.

Well that's a very reasonable request. I think however that people will always have their opinions, and inevitably you will run across people whose views directly oppose yours, and you can't just make them stop all the time. And they can't make you stop...that's the whole point of free speech and expression. I know it can be annoying when someone is saying something that really bugs you, but you can't just make everyone agree. If it helps, I don't think anyone does it to be mean, but rather are expressing their opinions, sometimes without realizing how extreme it can come off as.

It's not as much what they are saying that gets me upset. It's more that people seem to use greggers jokes so much. A common thing I see here is that people often jokingly blame anything wrong about Bionicle on greg, even if it's not his fault. That has gotten annoying after constant use, so that was why I asked that request.

But, I realize that I can't change people unless they want to be changed, so I'll just try to keep out of more Greg discuscions. ;-)

Anyway:

~Ouagadougou

~Reykjav

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???? None of those are used in Bionicle at all! Unless you're joking and you made these up, I believe these may be forgien language translations of some names. I.e. Reykjavik could Reidak. I agree, these names would be impossible to remember, but all the Bionicle names are much simpler than that.

That's names of various capital cities around the world.. :-P At least I reckon Reykjavik and Ljubliana. Do I get a cookie for that oo7? :'-)

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I think most names past 2005 are completely out there. It's like they let someone shake their fingers really fast on a keyboard or something. I miss the good old days of Lewa, or Vorak, but once some island nation sues, you can't go back. Also, Lego has to use names that aren't copyrighted which can be a pain sometimes. I used to post on BZP, but lately it's just been different from what I can remember. I also PM'd Greg on BZP, nice guy, answered my questions to the best of his ability. I haven't read his writtings though, which seems to be his umm...downfall according to this board.

Sorry I'm lowering the above Average age....

(sincerely)

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Eh, not really a joke on my part. You see, I do not dislike Greg Farshtey himself, and I do admire him for his dedication and endless enthusiasm/interest to his job, as well as putting up with interacting with the BZP community year after year.

However, I do not think he is all that talented at writing. Sure, he can make a short, entertaining tale, and write a mean comic book. But thats about it. When it comes to something as large as the Bionicle Mythos, his skills are completely unsuited for it. TEMPLAR treated the fledgling Bionicle world as a mythology; Greg treats it as a comic book world where anything goes. The less free reign he has, the better his writings become; the more free reign he has, we get 3,000 Toa, an entire species of Makuta, and random islands like Xia. BIONICLE needed someone who could write a mythology, not someone who thinks that just because Bionicles are in multiple colors they should be treated like every generic superhero storyline.

As for BZP and EB, I am a four-year veteran of BZP, but, for actual conversation and discussion, I prefer EB. Its a much smaller, more personal community, and good discussion is pretty much guarenteed. You dont have collosus' like Bonesii who will come in, twist everything you say out of proportion so that you are in fact saying what he wants you to say, and then debunk you as being completely wrong because everyone except him is completely wrong without exception T_T. I enjoy the large art community on BZP (though I get a bit irritated with them at times), and theres a much wider range of Bionicle discussion there. Each forum has its strengths; I go to EB for freedom of speech.

Just my 0.00.

- The Admiral

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Plenty. As a Christian, I sometimes feel that many of the things allowed here on Eurobricks (language, imuendo, flaming) are not things I should be reading, because it's against what I believe. But, as I said up above, I still feel that I do belong here in some ways, as well as on BZP. I'll just have to take the good with the bad.

Excuse me? Sorry, but this is just don't get this coment. As a christian myself, i've never been offened by anything anyone has said here on eurobricks. At least not the need to bring religion in. Yes, some people have had problems, but seriously don't believe your going to get flamed because your christian. And to be honest, i don't see anything that is allowed on eurobricks that would go against the christain belief. And if a couple things here and there really bother you that much, then it probbly be best you stay off the interenet all toether. Sorry if that seems harsh, but this is a forum about legos, and the people that enjoy them.

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i don't see anything that is allowed on eurobricks that would go against the christain belief. And if a couple things here and there really bother you that much, then it probbly be best you stay off the interenet all toether. Sorry if that seems harsh, but this is a forum about legos, and the people that enjoy them.

Um, swearing, anyone? And not all forums have the stuff eurobricks has. BZP is one example, and that is why I spent a lot of time on there. If you aren't upset at all by the stuff, then fine, but if eurobricks was worse than it was right now (including sometimes graphic sexual discuscion and uncensored F-words), I would not be on here at all.

You dont have collosus' like Bonesii who will come in, twist everything you say out of proportion so that you are in fact saying what he wants you to say, and then debunk you as being completely wrong because everyone except him is completely wrong without exception T_T.

Okay, Bonesiii does not come off like that at all to me. True, he may say a lot more than needed, but to me, he's a fair member who helps BZP a lot by sorting out problems caused by newbs. He even said right out once that opinions are good and fair! And he also happens to be a great writer and excellent storyline whiz, so I completely dissagree with you. But, we all know there's nothing wrong with that. ;-)

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Um, swearing, anyone? And not all forums have the stuff eurobricks has. BZP is one example, and that is why I spent a lot of time on there. If you aren't upset at all by the stuff, then fine, but if eurobricks was worse than it was right now (including sometimes graphic sexual discuscion and uncensored F-words), I would not be on here at all.

What swearing? You acttaully think that BZP is a more "apropriate" forum than eurobricks? I won't go and trash another forum, but that is the worst possible comparision you could have done. I know many people hear know what i'm talking about. I have never seen swear words uncensored before. Nor have i ever seen grafic sexual discusion ever discused on these forums. Have inapropriate discussions started before? Yes, but you can't prevent everyone from starting topics. If there is one, then it s closed (at least from what i've seen) closed within the first post or two.

Either way, it was completely inapropriate to bring religion into this. Sorry to carry this on, but i take stong offense to people that use religion as excuses when it is completely inapropriate.

......But again, i think every bionicle name is wierd. :-P

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Um, swearing, anyone? And not all forums have the stuff eurobricks has. BZP is one example, and that is why I spent a lot of time on there. If you aren't upset at all by the stuff, then fine, but if eurobricks was worse than it was right now (including sometimes graphic sexual discuscion and uncensored F-words), I would not be on here at all.

Well you have to understand that whether or not a swear ever pops up has a direct relationship with the average age on the forum. If you want a G-rated life, then a forum with adults is probably not the best place. We do keep things friendly here, though, and that does not mean always agreeing with you. You're free to expose yourself to whatever environment you choose, it's not as if you're doing people a favor by going to one or the other :-D

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What's this topic about again?

It's mainly centered on researching strange names for capital cities around the globe and receiving confectionery baked goods.

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It's mainly centered on researching strange names for capital cities around the globe and receiving confectionery baked goods.
Oh yeah. X-D

Did Greg invent the Brotherhood of Makuta? I forgot.

Oh wait, no he didn't. That was there since Bionicle started.

Funny.

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It's mainly centered on researching strange names for capital cities around the globe and receiving confectionery baked goods.

Don't forget cats, religion and flaming..! X-D Good ol' EB spirit.. :-$ Gone too far.. |-/

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What swearing? You acttaully think that BZP is a more "apropriate" forum than eurobricks?

For kids, YES.

I have never seen swear words uncensored before.

You're kidding, right? I can't believe you haven't seen common uses of d word, a word, and h word here. :-/

Either way, it was completely inapropriate to bring religion into this. Sorry to carry this on, but i take stong offense to people that use religion as excuses when it is completely inapropriate.

It's not inapropriate to dislike stuff like that because of your religon. If it's okay to talk about your atheism, why is it not to talk about your religion. You may be taking offense, but I'm taking offense at what you are saying.

Nor have i ever seen grafic sexual discusion ever discused on these forums

Um, I didn't mean that that was true at all. I was only saying that if eurobricks WAS like that, I would not be here today. Thankfully, it's NOT.

Well you have to understand that whether or not a swear ever pops up has a direct relationship with the average age on the forum. If you want a G-rated life, then a forum with adults is probably not the best place. We do keep things friendly here, though, and that does not mean always agreeing with you. You're free to expose yourself to whatever environment you choose, it's not as if you're doing people a favor by going to one or the other

I know, I know. It's a fact of life that I realize I have to face. Fortunately, eurobricks is usually limited to less vulgar swears, so I'm okay as of now. Thanks for understanding. ;-)

Did Greg invent the Brotherhood of Makuta? I forgot.

Oh wait, no he didn't. That was there since Bionicle started.

Actually, no. The brotherhood first came around in 2005, and Greg and the story team have made it a major element ever since. Personally, I love the idea. *sweet*

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Greivous, some of us aren't sensitive about those words you mentioned (in my opinion they're not even swear words but I'm not Christian) and you've got to respect that as we have to respect you. But this website is designed for AFOLs mainly (although we're here). So we just need to be tolerant. Everyone can find something they dislike about the forums but we just have to bear it for all the great parts.

Anyway.

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For kids, YES.

You're kidding, right? I can't believe you haven't seen common uses of d word, a word, and h word here. :-/

Then like some have said, what you consider a swear, and what other do is different. Like i said, i'm a christian myself, and have never been offended by anything people have said here. There have might have been things that have made me upset, but thats differnt than being offened.

It's not inapropriate to dislike stuff like that because of your religon. If it's okay to talk about your atheism, why is it not to talk about your religion. You may be taking offense, but I'm taking offense at what you are saying.

No its not, but i still feel you didn't have any reason to bring it up in the first place concidering what you were being "offened" about. You don't like somthing then fine, just leave. BUt to say "i'm christian, and because i'm christain i'm going to get flamed for it" is more inapropriate than the soposed "swear" word you say you constantly see.

Um, I didn't mean that that was true at all. I was only saying that if eurobricks WAS like that, I would not be here today. Thankfully, it's NOT.

Then i miss read you. For that i opoligize. :-)

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Greivous, some of us aren't sensitive about those words you mentioned (in my opinion they're not even swear words but I'm not Christian) and you've got to respect that as we have to respect you. But this website is designed for AFOLs mainly (although we're here). So we just need to be tolerant. Everyone can find something they dislike about the forums but we just have to bear it for all the great parts.

Even if I respect people's freedom of speech, it doesn't mean I always like it. But, I never said I wasn't being tollerant. I've never actually flamed anyone here for saying "d**m!" I can't do anything about whether people here say those words or not, so I let it be. I understand completely. :-)

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I think most names past 2005 are completely out there. It's like they let someone shake their fingers really fast on a keyboard or something. I miss the good old days of Lewa, or Vorak, but once some island nation sues, you can't go back. Also, Lego has to use names that aren't copyrighted which can be a pain sometimes.

Ah well. We should be back on topic about silly words, not fighting about swearing and religion and BZP.

And, Gurrahk101,

Adrliuk

Girwuls

Rouijgthea

G)rdkrgs

F98se

Ta Da! Five new Biowords. Seriously, why can't LEGO go the epic fantasy route and name its characters odd word like Confusticate and Bebother and Sunder?

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