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Apart from that, which are the female figures?

Any western-themed figure? Scifi-themed figure?

I raised the question of the female figs on page 5, I agree that is a weak point of this list. But a CMF series doesnt necessarily have to hav western or sci-fi figs, unfortunately. Its the figs *on* the list that are suspicious, not the ones that are missing.

Im actually expecting series 13 to be more town/sports oriented, since series 12 had more historical figs.

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I raised the question of the female figs on page 5, I agree that is a weak point of this list. But a CMF series doesnt necessarily have to hav western or sci-fi figs, unfortunately. Its the figs *on* the list that are suspicious, not the ones that are missing.

Im actually expecting series 13 to be more town/sports oriented, since series 12 had more historical figs.

I'd say it's nice to see more CMFs from different ranges and unused existed themes (Dino Tracker, for example). I think the matter is that City figures rarely pop out like historical figures do so we just need the best of the best not a lot of them. And after all making a whole single series target at a specific theme is not a good marketing method unless it's a special series .

I know Toy Story has ended (until another sequel announced), but I'm not sure if TLG can come up with a more generic and appealing version of green army that doesn't resemble TS version.

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I raised the question of the female figs on page 5, I agree that is a weak point of this list. But a CMF series doesnt necessarily have to hav western or sci-fi figs, unfortunately. Its the figs *on* the list that are suspicious, not the ones that are missing.

Im actually expecting series 13 to be more town/sports oriented, since series 12 had more historical figs.

I don't about that. Even though the last series was very heavy Sci-Fi/Fantasy, I'd think that there'd at least be SOMETHING. As far as I can recall, there has yet to be a series without anything from some fantasy genre, and so I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have any.

But I agree that some of the figures on the list are... Unlikely...

I'd say it's nice to see more CMFs from different ranges and unused existed themes (Dino Tracker, for example). I think the matter is that City figures rarely pop out like historical figures do so we just need the best of the best not a lot of them. And after all making a whole single series target at a specific theme is not a good marketing method unless it's a special series .

I know Toy Story has ended (until another sequel announced), but I'm not sure if TLG can come up with a more generic and appealing version of green army that doesn't resemble TS version.

I think they could. If not a better one, they could make it more generic or different. Army Men also come in tan, and the green that they use is usually closer to LEGO's Dark Green than regular green. I bet they could figure something out. Although I wonder if that isn't going too close to a military theme? I wonder if that doesn't violate the company's values, even if it is a toy? I mean with Toy Story they didn't have much choice. Here, though, they do, so I wonder whats up...

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I don't about that. Even though the last series was very heavy Sci-Fi/Fantasy, I'd think that there'd at least be SOMETHING. As far as I can recall, there has yet to be a series without anything from some fantasy genre, and so I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have any.

Well, even if the list was real, we would have a Confederate officer, snake charmer and ghoul as historical/fantasy minifgs (and maybe the army man and thief?). But yeah, that seems a bit low for a CMF series, especially with no sci-figs.

I guess a toy soldier which is different from the Toy Story version (in dark or olive green? or with a beret instead of a helmet?) is not out of the question, so army man in this sense is not really a giveaway for a fake list, so much as, say, a confederate officer.

And I dont see why a hobo or tramp would be such a no-go fig. So long as TLG spins him as as a carefree traveller who prefers roaming the country istead of settling down (and bathing), they should be fine. Yes, it might be romanticizing the plight of the unemployed and the socially excluded, but there were and are plenty of hobos who actively chose and choose this lifestyle. And TLG is all about the romanticizing and stereotyping and simplifying.

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Besides, there is already a "Toy Soldier" minifigure. So, Army Man is a likely name for a green toy soldier.

About the Hobo, making money by selling a minifigure of a poor man would be too controversial.

This is my bet for the Hobo (If the list is correct):

wearywil1cp.gif

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I have to beg pardon, Army Man is also a toy in US, I didn't know that. I knew it was a man in the Army, but not a toy soldier too.

No harm, no foul... I suspected other countries might not have the same sort of thing, and surely not everybody paid attention to, or cared about, the Toy Story sets. I was just surprised at the rash of responses that claimed the list was impossible because of "army man."

Besides, there is already a "Toy Soldier" minifigure. So, Army Man is a likely name for a green toy soldier.

About the Hobo, making money by selling a minifigure of a poor man would be too controversial.

I didn't know they actually made a toy soldier, so I googled it... is the one from the character encyclopedia? That's pretty neat! Especially since my daughter does Nutcracker Ballet every year... I hadn't seen it before. Making something like that one (changed somewhat, of course) more widely available certainly doesn't seem out of the question.

Also, your view of "hobo" is exactly what I'd pictured.... I'm sure TLG would take some flack for it, but I think it would be misplaced, and I certainly wouldn't complain; I hardly find it insensitive or anything, a lot of movies and shows actually romanticized that lifestyle. After some more googling, it looks like younger kids associate homeless with the term "hobo." While I suppose most hobos are homeless, they are not really interchangeable words.

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I would like to point out that a lot of the set lists & so on that get leaked have been translated at some point, so we should expect a lot of flexibility with the names. That is not to say that I believe this list or not.

Also, "soda jerk" is not something I have heard of before. :laugh:

I'm not sure if TLG can come up with a more generic and appealing version of green army that doesn't resemble TS version.

I think they could. If not a better one, they could make it more generic or different. Army Men also come in tan, and the green that they use is usually closer to LEGO's Dark Green than regular green.

I was thinking the same thing, a nicer green or tan would be the first change.

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Whether the list is true or not, I think it is ridiculous if Lego cannot make a hobo because it is too controversial. Playmobile has done it. And a lot of train layouts had them when I was a kid. That being said, I'm hoping the list is fake as it doesn't interest me at all.

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Yes, considering this list the only minifigures that do appeal me are "ghoul" and "chimney sweeper".

A Chimney Sweeper has never been suggested in my "guessing game" but I see this as a possible minifigure for release in future.

Changing topic: I really fail in understanding why brickipedia gave credit to this list.

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I don't know if an Army Man is in the future of CMFs, I'm saying they've released Army Men before, and yes, they actually called them that.

That was a licensed set, so they called them what they are known as in Toy Story. The other modern soldiers that lego have made are also licensed - in Indiana Jones. They are integral to the story, so are in the Lego sets.

It is still a jump for them to do modern warfare in their own lines.

Besides, there is already a "Toy Soldier" minifigure. So, Army Man is a likely name for a green toy soldier.

About the Hobo, making money by selling a minifigure of a poor man would be too controversial.

This is my bet for the Hobo (If the list is correct):

wearywil1cp.gif

Why is he dressed as a clown?

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I can't help but wonder what language these were originally in? Do we know? Because if so, we can look at alternate translations to see if things like "Confederate Soldier" are really accurate. It may well be a member of the cavalry and be part of the western theme (which, I admit, the two look nothing alike, but for someone who knew very little of American history, they may have thought it to be a civil war soldier, and their mind jumped to "Confederate"). It's possible. Hobo still throws me off, though... Maybe a medieval peasant?

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Why is he dressed as a clown?

It's a character called Weary Willie. He is based on the hobos of the 30's depression. And yes, he is a clown.

This is lighter version of a Hobo I can think for a Lego product.

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For a long time Transformers couldn't do an accurate representation of Bumblebee because the Volkswagen company refused to give the license to anyone who would create a war-related product. But at the end of this year, we're actually finally getting a VW Beetle Bumblebee. Companies change their policies and it may be time for TLC to drop their opposition to war related toys. They've already stretched the rules with things like the Indiana Jones sets, and I believe there was actually a prototype tank in development for that theme. So I'm not dismissing the list based on the 'Army Guy' figure.

But the lack of Space, Castle and Pirate minifigs does seem unlikely. And if the list is true, it's disappointing because then I won't have anything to buy.

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1st time I remember of a list before anything official surfaced was series 8. Since then the lists sounded strange at first, but mainly because of translating issues.

For example "another vampire"in series 8 turned out to be the man-bat. And yes, there was another cheerleader in that series.

All I want to say that everything is possible.

As for this list, the Hobo could be a chaplin-like tramp figure. The english-greek-english translation confirmes that.

The army man could be some kind of toy soldier, which is within LEGO standards. All the others can mean many things, not necessarely city minifigures.

The bartender can come from the Wild West or from a medieval tavern, the thief could be a Sherlock Holmes villain, the horseback rider can represent any period of human history. So it leaves the teacher, the tour guide, the birthday boy, the referee and the mailman as city minifigs. That's not too much!

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I think even if the 'civilian' figs are from other eras, they're still just that — civilian figures. Just doing... Domestic stuff. Only about a quarter of them are doing anything out of the ordinary. Where's the dragon slayer? The superhero? The steampunk adventurer?

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I agree that the names could have gotten obscured in translation. I've gotten a few ideas, the only one I can't explain satisfactory is confederate soldier...

Hobo could be a tramp, but I think a medieval peasant is more likely. However, I have to agree, even if these are within LEGO's standards, they are a bit mundane. I guess we'll see.

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Is it possible the Confererate Officer is supposed to be the opposite of the Union Officer that came in the Lone Ranger Train set? It would make sense.

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Is it possible the Confererate Officer is supposed to be the opposite of the Union Officer that came in the Lone Ranger Train set? It would make sense.

No, not possible, and here's why: confederates are often associated with racism. Now we can debate politics all day, whether such a figure would indeed be racist or not, but the fact remains that when people see a confederate, they know what cause they were fighting for (well, it was actually way more complex than that, but whatever), so LEGO would be taking a bit of a risk making one.

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