Exploration, Starfighter

[doug7172]

Hey guys after building my sig figs Personal starfighter I felt the need to build another space ship only bigger. So I got this, I worked on it for a hour or so. Sorry it is kinda crappy.

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Look at the blockyness

The airlock opens !

Look at thoes engines!

The Wepon Control station

Here you can see a small enginereing station and a transporter bieng used.

The piolts station and captians chair

Well thanks for looking. C and C welcome!

[Asuka]

Well, there

[SirNadroj]

Great cockpit, and I love that cockpit on the side! *wub* It is a little bulky. Try adding some slopes or curved elements to give is a sleeker design. *y*

[Chuck]

A few things:

The air lock isn't really an air lock

Things sticking out everywhere

No use for the turret since the guns are fixed

Holes everywhere

Suffers from FBS

I don't really like it :-/

-Chuck

Edited September 29, 2007 by Chuck

[Hinckley]

A few things:

The air lock isn't really an air lock

Things sticking out everywhere

No use for the turret since the guns are fixed

Holes everywhere

Suffers from FBS

I don't really like it :-/

-Chuck

Hey Chuck, Perhaps we would all benefit from you being a little more constructive. Maybe you can explain to Doug what an airlock is and how it should work and how he might improve his. Suggest ways of cleaning up the MOC perhaps. He already said it was "crappy" so why not offer him suggestions for improvement. Sorry, your post came off very rude. It's not what I'm used to seeing from EB members... :-/

Doug, like you said it is a little rushed and even kind of crappy. ;-) But, it's a creative start and you certainly have some good imagination behind it. I like how you are trying to get some realistic details inside. Thanks for sharing and I look forward to seeing other things from you in the future.

[john cleese]

Doug i have to be honest, this moc isnt doing it for me. Its certainly not up to par with your hovercar. I think i can sympathize with you though as your problem seems to be a lack of elements. Oh the things i would build if i only had more peices. Unfortunately it seems good mocing requires a rather large budget so i would suggest getting on bricklink. Perhaps you need to orginize your pieces, which did wonders for me, even though it was just by colour. Anyway i see a frustrated artist in your case doug. Somebody get this man some pieces quick!

Edited September 30, 2007 by john cleese

[Batbrick]

I am going to say it out loud: I think it is a bit crappy. There, thats not rude, its the truth. Doug, you said it yourself.

BUT! The key word here being "but" (no one better think that is funny :-( ) We do know you lack a lot of elements, and from what I can see it does have some great design in it. I love the bubble cockpit on the side, I had never thought of something like that before :-$ , and the bottom gun connection is resourceful, and the escape hatch is a very nice hatch that looks good open and closed.

Overall I will say you are a very good MOCer doug, as evidenced by your cool car/hovercar, but at the moment seem trapped from a lack of peices. What I will say that you have that many don't is improvisation and recoursefulness, you manage to get good MOCs (or in this case a few good building techniques ;-) ) from a relatively limited supply.

Thankyou for sharing doug, it will be a pleasure to see what you make next! *sweet*

[Siegfried]

Well as you say, it is blocky, but blocky by itself isn't a problem The shuttles of Star Trek were often blocky but many (not me) like them. Personally I think this is over ambitious considering your pieces. I think I have more pieces than you but I wouldn't try to make something with so much internal room. Try to build something with less internal room and you should be able to make a less boxy shape. On the other hand, considering you worked on it for an hour or so it is pretty good! I was working on a space craft last night and I spent an hour on just the cockpit and it still isn't finished. :-$

However you have some great ideas and I look forward to more interesting creations from you! *sweet*

[Chuck]

Hey Chuck, Perhaps we would all benefit from you being a little more constructive. Maybe you can explain to Doug what an airlock is and how it should work and how he might improve his. Suggest ways of cleaning up the MOC perhaps. He already said it was "crappy" so why not offer him suggestions for improvement. Sorry, your post came off very rude. It's not what I'm used to seeing from EB members... :-/

Constructive criticism can't always be candy-coated, Hink :-/

-Chuck

[xwingyoda]

A few things:

The air lock isn't really an air lock

Things sticking out everywhere

No use for the turret since the guns are fixed

Holes everywhere

Suffers from FBS

I don't really like it :-/

Constructive criticism can't always be candy-coated, Hink :-/

Ah thats what you call constructive criticism ??

*yoda*

[Chuck]

Ah thats what you call constructive criticism ??

*yoda*

Why, *yoda* , do you always magically show up when I do something wrong? You seem pretty lenient with everyone but me. You just make it obvious that you don't like me, but that doesn't mean you have to patronize me for all the wrong things I do :-|

-Chuck

[Hinckley]

Constructive criticism can't always be candy-coated, Hink :-/

-Chuck

I don't think it needs to be candy coated. I think what you said was true, but Doug is obviously young, so perhaps you can make your criticism constructive by offering expert suggestions on how to fix the problems you are pointing out. You are an awesome builder and can be really helpful in the YOC forum by offering suggestions and not just blank criticisms...

[doug7172]

I don't think it needs to be candy coated. I think what you said was true, but Doug is obviously young, so perhaps you can make your criticism constructive by offering expert suggestions on how to fix the problems you are pointing out. You are an awesome builder and can be really helpful in the YOC forum by offering suggestions and not just blank criticisms...

:'-) :'-) :'-) You rule Hinckley! thank you for standing up for me and my crappy moc!

But alas I have *Cough "Great" Cough* bad news, The starship blocky and ugly was gunned down yester day. The crew survived but they learned a very important lesson

Dave the gunner said " It is smart to not be in a glass dome during a boming

Gary the pilot said " I probally should have told the captian that the engines were not fuled before we toke off

Bob the enginer said " ENGINE GO BOOM AND GET BROWN ON ME FIRE NOT GOOD FOR BOBS BOODY!"

Jon the captain is still in a coma....

Well any way I'm gonna build another space ship and im going to take the advice that chuck gave me oh wait he just ranted on how crappy my old starship was with out giving me a single tip!

[Hinckley]

Well any way I'm gonna build another space ship and im going to take the advice that chuck gave me oh wait he just ranted on how crappy my old starship was with out giving me a single tip!

Okay okay. :-D :-D It's all right. We all have things we need to work on. Just as you are learning building techniques, Chuck is learning how to critique, so we're all good. X-D *y*

No problem "defending" your MOC there Doug! Even crappy MOCs need love. I'm glad to see you are challenging yourself with a re-build. Look forward to seeing it. Thanks for the amusing transmission... :-D

Perhaps people can offer some suggestions here in this thread. That'll give Chuck a chance to practice making helpful suggestions (aka constructive criticism) and not just poop on it. ;-)

Yay! This thread has positive lessons for everyone! ... :-X

[john cleese]

Why, *yoda* , do you always magically show up when I do something wrong? You seem pretty lenient with everyone but me. You just make it obvious that you don't like me, but that doesn't mean you have to patronize me for all the wrong things I do :-|

-Chuck

no. nope. Trust me you dont want to say anything like that, ive been in the chamber, its the most <insert that tiresome argument> place ever. Hes doing his job and you arent being mistreated, infact your under the age limit so count your lucky stars. But just take it from a guy whos been in the chamber.

[Doctor Sinister]

Actually...I wondered if this would be the makings of a good tank - or hovertank if you don't have treads.

Add a top turret, some flare dispensers...jazz it up a little - it's kind of tank shaped, not everything has to fly.

That's my suggestion anyway!

Dr. S.

[Batbrick]

Well it seemed this thread was good for everyone, thanks doug! :-)

We learned how to critique better, doug took away a few tips, Chuck learned how to not be so harsh, and I learned that the Your Own Creations forum is a lot funner than I first thought! :-D

I agree with Dr. S, even though you have already destroyed your ship Doug, if something doesn't look like it was meant to be, then it can easily be something else! Not everything has to fly. That ship, with a bit of modding, and some wheels or treads, could easily become a cool futuristic, rough scrap metal tank, thus giving a reason for the blockyness and improvising! ;-)

TTFN! >:-)

[Starwars4J]

Oh come on, *yoda* is anywhere someone isn't being nice, and what you said was just cold. You did nothing but tear into his MOC and did NOTHING helpful, and with comments like that why even say anything? You don't like when people tear your stuff apart, do you? So why the need to have this inferiority complex all the time? In all my time at EB I've never seen anyone who just tears into MOCs like you but almost never say anything NICE about anyone's stuff.

This just pisses me off.

[doug7172]

Oh come on, *yoda* is anywhere someone isn't being nice, and what you said was just cold. You did nothing but tear into his MOC and did NOTHING helpful, and with comments like that why even say anything? You don't like when people tear your stuff apart, do you? So why the need to have this inferiority complex all the time? In all my time at EB I've never seen anyone who just tears into MOCs like you but almost never say anything NICE about anyone's stuff.

This just pisses me off.

:'-) :'-) :'-) YOU RULE SO FLIPPIN MUCH SW4J THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TELLING HIM OFF!

[Siegfried]

But alas I have *Cough "Great" Cough* bad news, The starship blocky and ugly was gunned down yester day.

That's a shame as I was curious if you could salvage it. I tried to make something similar a few years ago but I had far less pieces than I have now and I stupidly wanted to use pieces from the 7249 crane. :-|

The idea was that the front was mainly just a cabin that connected to engines via a long shaft so it was supposed to be blocky! I spent one day on it and then six months looking at it before it fell in the sorting bin! :-D

[Chuck]

Oh come on, *yoda* is anywhere someone isn't being nice, and what you said was just cold. You did nothing but tear into his MOC and did NOTHING helpful, and with comments like that why even say anything? You don't like when people tear your stuff apart, do you? So why the need to have this inferiority complex all the time? In all my time at EB I've never seen anyone who just tears into MOCs like you but almost never say anything NICE about anyone's stuff.

This just pisses me off.

Fine, maybe I was a little harsh, but there is a fine line between being mean and constructive criticism. Listing what is wrong with it is helping, so that the MOCer may fix them. If you list the good things, then they will know what not to change. Like I've said before, its how I learned to build. Doug, your little car thing was nice, but sometimes bigger doesn't always mean better. Start small and work your way up.

-Chuck

[Starwars4J]

Fine, maybe I was a little harsh, but there is a fine line between being mean and constructive criticism. Listing what is wrong with it is helping, so that the MOCer may fix them. If you list the good things, then they will know what not to change. Like I've said before, its how I learned to build. Doug, your little car thing was nice, but sometimes bigger doesn't always mean better. Start small and work your way up.

-Chuck

Are you sure you know which side of that fine line you're on? Listing just the things that need to be fixed is not constructive. Listing why they need to be fixed is constructive. Only saying the negatives, followed by an "I don't like this" isn't constructive. In fact it's mean. That doesn't encourage someone to build bigger and better. Did he try to fix his ship after your little rant? No, he trashed it. That's all your comment did.

Next time, find some nice things to say too. If you can't find any, then maybe don't bother posting.

Edited September 30, 2007 by Starwars4J

[Chuck]

A few things:

The air lock isn't really an air lock

Things sticking out everywhere

No use for the turret since the guns are fixed

Holes everywhere

Suffers from FBS

I don't really like it :-/

-Chuck

Make a little room (possibly with helmets and airtanks) in between the cockpit and airlock.

Try to give it a more fluid design with slopes and SNOT.

Try moving the guns in front of the turret bubble (which I like; gives it asymetry)and make it so they aren't fixed in place, i.e. the Millenium Falcon turrets

Try to not use akward angles so as to decrease the amount of holes.

As for the Flying Box Syndrome, all the things I mentioned above should take away that factor!

Hope that helps, and happy building!

-Chuck

[Hinckley]

Make a little room (possibly with helmets and airtanks) in between the cockpit and airlock.

Try to give it a more fluid design with slopes and SNOT.

Try moving the guns in front of the turret bubble (which I like; gives it asymetry)and make it so they aren't fixed in place, i.e. the Millenium Falcon turrets

Try to not use akward angles so as to decrease the amount of holes.

As for the Flying Box Syndrome, all the things I mentioned above should take away that factor!

Hope that helps, and happy building!

-Chuck

IMO, that's much better. Was that so hard?

[Chuck]

no. nope. Trust me you dont want to say anything like that, ive been in the chamber, its the most <insert that tiresome argument> place ever. Hes doing his job and you arent being mistreated, infact your under the age limit so count your lucky stars. But just take it from a guy whos been in the chamber.

I've been in there...twice, so don't think this is news to me :-P

IMO, that's much better. Was that so hard?

My eyes have stopped bleeding, if that is what you are asking ;-)

-Chuck

Edited October 1, 2007 by Chuck