I agree with Tommy. There are quite a few MT and creator models/vehicles compared to technic ones. They are in many cases very hard to decide where to fit. Another thing against the separation that some of us build in both styles, or in all of them. These categories, the lines between them as far as I can see are nearly impossible to define properly. I think, until there are significant amount of MT/Creator MOCs here, it's unnecessary to place them in a subforum.

(Anyway, Model Team for me just never had sense when it's about a Moc. There are models, fictional cars, vehicles, etc, or the mixture of both. Imho we should call Model Team only the official MT sets. The MOCs are simply models, like models from 100% technic parts. The difference is only the used techniques, when the functions are the same. If not, and the MOC has only a stering, then yes, it's a MT like creation)

The separation of studded and studless body MOCs but with technic chassis, working parts, etc. wouldn't be good, too, I think. Older technic models had many studded parts, complete bodies from studful parts. Technic MOCs with studful, clean bodies are 100% technic themed in my eyes (only themed, of course, when we see the parts, they aren't fully technic). Even now we have signifiant amount of studful parts in official sets (like in 42056 Porsche - surprisingly lot of studful parts).

(just my opinion )

Edited September 19, 20168 yr by Tamas Juhasz

Maybe a MT MOC specific section in the Index might be an easier sell to the EB MOD squad? There is already a Special Theme forum for "everything else". It may not be practical for Technic forum users to venture out to other parts of Eurobricks.

I seen the MT sets, and they not only have detailed studded bodywork, but they have functions. Creator sets not. There is a difference that is going to be omitted and a theme ( MT) will be forgot and confused with creator

There are Model Team sets which do not have any function apart from steering: 2556, 5540, 5533, 5541 (please correct me if I am wrong).

There are Creator sets which have more functions (some of them really unique) than just steering: 6753, 5767, 4993, 5893 to name just a few.

So the argument of Creator models lacking functions does not stand.

Correction: 4993 does not have steering but a convertible top.

Edited September 19, 20168 yr by legophisto

From what I have seen MT is not very popular so a special forum for MT could be the least visited forum on EB as a result MT could disappear (which would be bad). I do think that MT needs to be distinguished from Creator and I feel that we already have a good differentiation... MT is Technic-like in that it has functions, could be as simple as steering or more complex Technic functions. However Creator may only have rolling wheels or opening doors or other opening areas. Creator has motors that are display only, Technic has motors with workable pistons, frequently driven by a driveshaft.

I think MT continues to get more exposure (as it should) in the Technic forum and could MT could disappear in a dedicated forum or in a Creator forum.

If we are voting... I vote to keep MT with Technic and creations that look Creator like with no real Technic functions should continue to go in the Creator forum.

Just MHO, YMMV,

Andy D

I do think that MT needs to be distinguished from Creator and I feel that we already have a good differentiation... MT is Technic-like in that it has functions, could be as simple as steering or more complex Technic functions.

Sorry, but somehow i just don't get it: Could you please give an example of any Technic-like function in any Model Team set?(Apart from steering)

Edited September 19, 20168 yr by legophisto

come on guys, lets get Jim and the other moderators do their discussion intern and see what they will come up to us.

This discussion walks now again and again the last view years and their must be found a good solution.

For me it's now no solution to be post in the Special Theme how the concept now is and will lost my interest for posting here on EuroBricks, but when they make it a very serious forum with Scaled modeling, Model Team, Creator, Expert, Architecture, Sculptures and Art it will be get my vote .

In this form is in my mind a potential for growing members for EB that not now wanted to post there models in the Technic ore Special Themes.

If the moderators do nothing, i hope i can post my models here in the Technic, Model team and Mindstorms where all my friends are

Best regards,

Edwin

Edited September 19, 20168 yr by Edwin Korstanje

come on guys, lets get Jim and the other moderators do their discussion intern and see what they will come up to us.

If the moderators do nothing, i hope i can post my models here in the Technic, Model team and Mindstorms where all my friends are

This triggers one more thought I would like to share. Not to influence any decision - I agree that's upto the moderators - but just to add another perspective. I've been active on other fora - mainly software-related - but I have never experienced such a cohesive, self-respectful online community as the one behind this forum, behind this theme in particular. I would get a very uneasy feeling if some of us had to move to another place...

Edited September 19, 20168 yr by Didumos69

I think that separating Model Team from Technic wouldn't be a good idea. Model Team builds that I think of have a LOT in common with Technic builds, more-so than with Creator. Ingmar's trucks for example; yes they have a brick-built body, but they have full Technic suspension, working drivetrains and are remote control.

With making it the Scale Models/Model Team/etc. forum, that creates problems for people like me. I build scale replicas of real trucks using Technic only, so in theory it would go in the Technic forum, but it also fits into the Scale Models forum. If you were to then have to put it in one and miss the other it would mean a large group of people interested in this kind of build would end up missing it if they don't browse both forums, which frankly they won't. Most people don't have the time or enough caring to browse multiple forums.

Having these two similar forums for models like mine would create admin work where I wouldn't know what forum to put my truck in, nor would people like me, and then you would have to move the topic somewhere else. Separating the two topics into separate forums would IMO do more harm than good for the community, and up until now there hasn't been any problem with having the two topics together (as far as I am aware) so if it ain't broke don't fix it.

I love seeing the Model Team builds on the Technic forum just as much as I do the Technic builds, the two topics go hand in hand IMO

I am wondering what it takes to make a build a Technic build... Is it just that the model is built with Technic elements, Studless or studfull?

For example some Bionicle space ships are built entirely of Technic elements. I know those are Bionicle, but what about something else built with just Technic elements, and what about official Technic sets with no functions other than rolling wheels?

Lots for the Mods to consider.

Andy D

I have discussed this with Edwin yesterday and a possible solution is to have a separate forum for:

Modeling, Architecture, Creator, Model Team and Sculptures & Art.

This would mean that Model Team isn't part of the Technic and Mindstorms forum anymore.

In order to do this we (staff) need to find a place for:

Fabuland, Collectable Minifigures, Military and everything else.

I will discuss this with other staffers and come back with answer.

To answer the OP's question; here's an interesting topic about Model Team vs Creator:

http://www.eurobrick...showtopic=97836

An interesting suggestion. It would definitely be nice to have a specialised sub-forum for scale-modelling, though only if there are sufficient numbers and interest to make it work. And would a Fabuland/minifigs/all-the-rest forum survive on its own? A further issue with the above suggested split is that many military MOCs (the good ones at least) would also qualify as scale models (just consider Mad Physicist's 1:22 Tomcat, or D-Town Cracka's SA-19) — and the last thing you want is a situation where build quality determines where a MOC will go.

Perhaps you could swap Creator and military in the above proposed categories? Or, given the rather low interest in military MOCs here, does 'military' even need to be specified? Minifig-scale military vehicle MOCs could simply go in either Town or Scale Modelling by choice of the builder, while military dioramas go to Special/other themes? Creator sets (including Creator Expert) could easily be discussed in the second suggested sub-forum, while MOCs in the Creator Expert style go to the first suggested Scale Modelling sub-forum.

It would also be good to have some clear and accessible guidelines differentiating Model Team and Creator Expert, as before reading this thread I would not have made any distinction between these two as MOC categories. Maybe you could just drop 'Model Team' as a label? The actual official theme is long gone, and I expect most builders can decide for themselves if their model belongs in Technic or scale-modelling. It is just a matter of how much technical functionality lies under the exterior. I would suggest that a functional Technic chassis (steering, suspension, working engine, etc.) belongs in Technic regardless of whether the body is built from Technic beams & panels or from system parts as with a Model Team set, while a MOC with minimal Technic parts and functionality—where the focus is instead on detail and appearance—deserves a different home.

Edited September 20, 20168 yr by BrickMonkeyMOCs

Scale modeling is rapidly growing in popularity. Sometimes Technic and Scale models can look miles apart and other times they make true hybrids. For me its not the point. I enjoy the good Technic builds as well, and I think many of the builders here on this forum section know eachother quite well (some also in real life) and enjoy everything presented here regardless the style definition. I like cars, trucks and other machinery... and I like Lego, that makes this forum the ideal place to see what other builders create in their own style.

It is a tricky debate indeed. Personally I would want Model Team left in the Technic forum. If you put it in with special themes, I think it would get lost. I do drift outside the Technic forum occasionally, but mainly to look in Lego Town.

I'm a bit torn by Edwin's ships. There is no doubt they are very impressive. I like looking at them on the Technic forum. They have PF. But are they Technic?

I had the same dilemma posting this a while back;

http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=123744

I'm a bit torn by Edwin's ships. There is no doubt they are very impressive. I like looking at them on the Technic forum. They have PF. But are they Technic?

Some of them are Technic.

Some of them are Technic.

I stand corrected sir. you can stay in the Technic forum!

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