Book II - Kaliphlin: Guild sign-up and Discussion

[NiceMarmot]

I guess that would work, as long as everyone is prepared to wander out of Eurobricks to learn how to contribute on the wiki. But if one is prepared to put countless hours into creating a series of MOCs, spending a few minutes creating an account over there might not be too hard?

It's not that hard, and you can even post anonymously over on the wiki I think, as long as you don't mind putting up with the annoying Captchas and so on. I think it will be too much for any one person to keep track of all that, so it's better to just make every student responsible for tracking their own progress, whether it's on the wiki, on your EB profile page, or on PostIt notes stuck all over your dog. When someone finishes the entire program and wants their badge, they just have to submit documentation somehow to Ska.

[gedren_y]

I'm liking the ideas for the Petraea University Part II. I do think the levels should go like this: Apprentice, Novice, Adept and Master.

I also got busy on LDD and have a WIP to share.

Lost Vega LDD WIP by gedren_y, on Flickr

This is a tower room for my Lost Vega casino. Since some of the parts I'm using are in colors that were never available for them, this will be an LDD only build. I don't think anyone will mind, though.

[SkaForHire]

I attempted to build a flow chart... but the formatting sucked it up for me. Anyone know a good flowchart program?

[mrcp6d]

PowerPoint or Excel have never failed me for flow charts at work. Use them all the time.

[Nightstalker]

I attempted to build a flow chart... but the formatting sucked it up for me. Anyone know a good flowchart program?

You could also use Dia as well.

[Gideon]

I attempted to build a flow chart... but the formatting sucked it up for me. Anyone know a good flowchart program?

I always use Visio for flowcharts and similar stuff. The only MS Office program which handles graphics reasonably well if you ask me. I think that newer versions of the other programs might have borrowed some of the functionality from Visio...I've been stuck with 2003 for too long however and got used to doing all my drawings there.

On topic: I think it sounds good keeping track of the credits ourselves and then presenting it all to Ska (or someone else given power to approve a candidate for a degree) for review when ready to graduate.

Another way if we want to stay in EB entirely for this would be to make a separate thread where each student makes one (and only one) post where he/she adds the links to each MOC and adds which subcategories it is credited for.

[NiceMarmot]

Another way if we want to stay in EB entirely for this would be to make a separate thread where each student makes one (and only one) post where he/she adds the links to each MOC and adds which subcategories it is credited for.

That's not a bad idea -- then each person can update their own post in that thread. Let's do it that way, so people don't have to use the wiki.

I'm liking the ideas for the Petraea University Part II. I do think the levels should go like this: Apprentice, Novice, Adept and Master.

Actually this Master of Historica program is separate from the University of Petraea part II project. The UoP community build will be focused on building out the university campus and university life scenes. The Master's program is run by the University, but is focused on advancing building techniques and styles.

BTW, I like your level names. I've updated the wiki page on the Master's program with this and a bunch of other ideas that have been raised here. Check it out everyone and let me know what you think. I especially need feedback on the subject ideas.

I also got busy on LDD and have a WIP to share.

This is a tower room for my Lost Vega casino. Since some of the parts I'm using are in colors that were never available for them, this will be an LDD only build. I don't think anyone will mind, though.

Wow, way cool! I've got to get back into LDD someday. It can be a lot of fun to build in, especially to try out wild ideas for which you don't have the parts.

Edited October 5, 2013 by NiceMarmot

[SkaForHire]

I think we should keep doctor, as it is historically (back over a millennium) the highest title for an academic.

If I have some time to get this flow chart worked out, I think it will be neat.

[NiceMarmot]

I think we should keep doctor, as it is historically (back over a millennium) the highest title for an academic.

If I have some time to get this flow chart worked out, I think it will be neat.

You're probably right. Although I think Doctor of Historica sounds a bit odd -- too medical for my ears. Maybe there's a different way to phrase it; change the "Historica" part, or perhaps latin-ize it so it sounds different. Historicae Doctor? How about "Historicae Aedificandi Doctor"? Then do we switch the name of the program also?

[SkaForHire]

I was kicking it all around, and though that there would be a series of masters before a person earned a doctorate. It may be because my background is in the academy, but I don't automatically assume the title doctor to be medical, but again maybe I am the only one on the boards here. However, the "Master of Historica" seems to be an aggrandized sounding title, even though it is not meant to be. I thought that the top rank, after a builder achieves the three doctorates (Engineering (science), philosophy, and arts maybe add in medical?) they would become an "Exalted Professor of Historica." That might be a more proper sounding title. If i get a minute today I will try to post a document of what I mean.

[Nightstalker]

I don't know, doctor might still work since it doesn't necessarily apply to medicine all the time.

According to wikipedia (links provided)

The doctorate (Latin: doceō, I teach) appeared in medieval Europe as a license to teach (Latin: licentia docendi) at a medieval university.[2] Its roots can be traced to the early church when the term "doctor" referred to the Apostles, church fathers and other Christian authorities who taught and interpreted the Bible.[2] The right to grant a licentia docendi was originally reserved to the church which required the applicant to pass a test, to take oath of allegiance and pay a fee. The Third Council of the Lateran of 1179 guaranteed the access – now largely free of charge – of all able applicants, who were, however, still tested for aptitude by the ecclesiastic scholastic.[3] This right remained a bone of contention between the church authorities and the slowly emancipating universities, but was granted by the pope to the University of Paris in 1213 where it became a universal license to teach (licentia ubiquie docendi).[3] However, while the licentia continued to hold a higher prestige than the bachelor's degree (Baccalaureus), it was ultimately reduced to an intermediate step to the Magister and doctorate, both of which now became the exclusive qualification for teaching.[3]

The earliest doctoral degrees (theology, law, and medicine) reflected the historical separation of all university study into these three fields. Over time the D.D. has gradually become less common and studies outside theology, law, and medicine have become more common (such studies were then called "philosophy", but are now classified as sciences and humanities – however this usage survives in the degree of Doctor of Philosophy).

The Ph.D. was originally a degree granted by a university to learned individuals who had achieved the approval of their peers and who had demonstrated a long and productive career in the field of philosophy (in the broad sense of the term philosophy, the pursuit of knowledge). The appellation of "Doctor" (from Latin: teacher) was usually awarded only when the individual was in middle age. It indicated a life dedicated to learning, to knowledge, and to the spread of knowledge.

The Ph.D. entered widespread use in the 19th century at the Friedrich Wilhelm University in Berlin as a degree to be granted to someone who had undertaken original research in the sciences or humanities. From there it spread to the United States, arriving at Yale University in 1861, and then to the United Kingdom in 1921. This displaced the existing Doctor of Philosophy degree in some Universities; for instance, the D.Phil. (higher doctorate in the faculty of philosophy) at the University of St Andrews was discontinued and replaced with the Ph.D. (research doctorate). However, some UK universities such as Oxford and Sussex (and, until recently, York) retain the D.Phil. appellation for their research degrees, as, until recently, did the University of Waikato in New Zealand.

So I'd still go for it.

[Gideon]

Example subjects:

• Architecture: round walls, round towers, different roof techniques, advanced SNOT, 1x1 round plate walls (a la Derfel Cadarn), microscale, forced perspective, building in wood, half-timbered Tudor style, etc...
  

What about interior techniques, should that be part of the Architecture subject as well?

[NiceMarmot]

What about interior techniques, should that be part of the Architecture subject as well?

Good idea, unless we want to have a separate Interior Design discipline. Do you have any suggested subjects for it?

Have you reviewed the list of subjects on the wiki, by the way? I'd love to get some feedback on that, as it's the most recent version.

[Maxim I]

hey, sorry for my absence lately! Somehow I discovered that having less building time is somewhat related to being less active on the forum

So I drove back home and stole all my lego from there so I can build in the place where I live during college And yesterday I started sorting all my bricks as it became really necessary I hope to finish sorting today and start building again one of the next days

Everlast is almost completed, it only needs a final touch

Oh, and great idea about the Kaliphlin Academy!!!

Edited October 8, 2013 by Damaximus

[Gideon]

hey, sorry for my absence lately! Somehow I discovered that having less building time is somewhat related to being less active on the forum

So I drove back home and stole all my lego from there so I can build in the place where I live during college

For me it is the opposite way around, when I have time to build I am generally much less active in the online community (GoH or Swebrick). It is when I'm away from my bricks I often end up spending time online looking at or talking about MOCs (or making BL or Amazon orders )

When I was studying I never had enough space in my room to accommodate more than a couple of official sets in my bookshelf. So much better for Kaliphlin that you have better access to your bricks now!

[Nightstalker]

Alright with any luck, I can finish up my RTD build on Thursday!

This week has been hectic with exams and computer programming.

Edit: Slight change of plans, it seems I've been filling under the weather (along with the weather just being horrible due to a tornado) so I will aim for Monday or Tuesday of next week. Sorry for my tardiness, but studies take priority.

-Nightstalker

P.S. Have we just become the most inactive guild?

Edited October 10, 2013 by Nightstalker

[LegoDrake]

Its been a very quiet in Kaliphlin lately.What are you guys all up to?

@NiceMarmot any idea when the Kaliphlin Academy will be ready (it looks amazing and I can't wait!)?

[Nightstalker]

I'd do more building if college weren't so important

[LegoDrake]

Sounds like someone needs to get his priorities straight.

[NiceMarmot]

Its been a very quiet in Kaliphlin lately.What are you guys all up to?

@NiceMarmot any idea when the Kaliphlin Academy will be ready (it looks amazing and I can't wait!)?

Sorry, I've been busy at work for the past two days, so I haven't had too much time to work on it. At this point, I think the general idea has been fleshed out fairly well. I just need some feedback on the details. I've got a draft of the initial post on the wiki -- has anyone looked at it? I'd love to get feedback on it. I think next step is really nail down the list of disciplines and subjects.

[Gideon]

I hope to be back in Kaliphlin build mode by October 25.

@NM: Shouldn't there be some kind of military subjects as well, like fortification, siege engineering, tactics etc?

[Kai NRG]

It sounds good to me. I would say that five Kaliphlins to approve and three disapproving would be a good number. If we make the approving number too high we'd run the risk of making it too hard for some worthy builds to pass.

For the trees, I would suggest you don't specify techniques. Most advanced tree techniques are quite parts intensive (pieces that I don't have! ), so it might be best to leave that up to the discretion of the builder? Something like; demonstrate proficiency in at least two different tree techniques/designs?

I agree that cliffs is unnecessary. Mountains isn't too close to rockwork. You can't build a mountain without rockwork I guess, but you can do rockwork without a mountain... (mountains are good for FP too).

You also didn't specify how many categories you could hit with one build. Four sounds good, that would make at least 10 builds (including the four advance placements).

Also, maybe you could copy and paste the wiki info when you change it and put it under spoiler here (on EB)? The wiki uses up a lot of internet bytes, and I'm having to watch those this month.

[NiceMarmot]

@NM: Shouldn't there be some kind of military subjects as well, like fortification, siege engineering, tactics etc?

Yes, I sort of incorporated military into the History curriculum, but perhaps it needs its own discipline. What would the subjects be? Fortification, Siege engineering, battles, ...?

It sounds good to me. I would say that five Kaliphlins to approve and three disapproving would be a good number. If we make the approving number too high we'd run the risk of making it too hard for some worthy builds to pass.

Five and three sounds good to me. How many active Kaliphlins do we have right now?

For the trees, I would suggest you don't specify techniques. Most advanced tree techniques are quite parts intensive (pieces that I don't have! ), so it might be best to leave that up to the discretion of the builder? Something like; demonstrate proficiency in at least two different tree techniques/designs?

I agree that cliffs is unnecessary. Mountains isn't too close to rockwork. You can't build a mountain without rockwork I guess, but you can do rockwork without a mountain... (mountains are good for FP too).

Good idea on the trees. Maybe any three techniques?

You also didn't specify how many categories you could hit with one build. Four sounds good, that would make at least 10 builds (including the four advance placements).

I'm going to wait until we know how many subjects total, and then divide by 10 or 12 to get the max number of subjects per build.

Also, maybe you could copy and paste the wiki info when you change it and put it under spoiler here (on EB)? The wiki uses up a lot of internet bytes, and I'm having to watch those this month.

No problem. Didn't know that about the wiki.

Thanks for all the feedback! I'll update the wiki this weekend sometime.

[Kai NRG]

Yeah, three tree techniques is good too.

And my guess is there are ten or so active Kaliphlins... depending on how active. I haven't been commenting on MOCs lately.

Also the one other thing - advanced SNOT (I think that's what you called it) - I really wouldn't know what that would be either, especially in an architecture setting... whole SNOT walls? or just details? So maybe we should get rid of that or specify more? Of course it could be left as it is. It would be an easy category then I suppose (unless your reviewers had a narrower view!). And that brings to mind another thing... what if, say, I'm reviewing a build and I think it passes two of the (say) three subjects it's trying to cover, but not the other one. What would I do? Thumb up those two but thumb down the other one? Probably to make that easier you should require every MOC topic to state the subjects covered at the top (before the build).

I'm going to wait until we know how many subjects total, and then divide by 10 or 12 to get the max number of subjects per build.

Divide by 10.

C'm on, I'm going to have to build all these...

[Gideon]

Phew, finally home from a long weekend with our annual LUG (Swebrick) exhibition, where I finalized my castle while setting it up on Friday

Swedish television showed up, and you can glimpse my castle (and me behind it at around 0:24 ) in the clip here.

Kaliphlin was represented as well as I brought my two latest builds Repairing the Walls of Petraea and Collecting the Pieces - The Venom of a Red Scorpion.

Just to mention that I did not let Kaliplin down, the walls of Petraea won second place (and earned me a small Star Wars bley parts-pack set) when the TLG representatives selected their favourite builds. Sad to say that's the last time anyone will se that MOC, since I will be tearing it down very soon to start preparing (dismantling and sorting a lot of stuff) for GoH book II.

Another fun thing was that I spotted de Gothia today, even though he was visiting incognito

Etzel was also there (you might remember his Mitgardian embassy in Petraea?) and I tried to persuade him to return to building for GoH, keep your fingers crossed!

Edited October 13, 2013 by Gideon