Rufus

I love it! :wub: It's a wonderfully fresh colour scheme. Have we been infiltrated?

There are plenty of boxes of bricks available, here is an example: They're useful for building up a collection, but there's a limit to what you can do with just a pile of 'ordinary' bricks - it depends on what you want to do. As for the colours - I'm no expert, but new colours appear gradually as you suggest. Newer colours like dark green, dark tan and medium nougat (see the colour range here) are only available in certain sets, and in a limited part range, so you might have to use Bricklink to get those colours.

I doubt that's a set. 9xxx numbers are normally reserved for Dacta sets. I don't think a mainstream set has ever been released with a 9xxx number (but I may be wrong).

Thanks for doing the review, Jammie. Nice, clear pics. Where'd you get it? It's nice to see some more dark green parts, though the set itself is a little simple. Like you, I haven't seen the film, so its significance is a bit lost on me.

Read The Forest mafia for the answer to that! It shows many innovative ways Fabuland figures can be abused. The head can be removed, but it requires quite a lot of force, and results in a disconcerting 'pop'. The legs can be removed by pushing the little bar out. I guess the joints will be weakened if this is done too often, but the legs of Fabu figures tend to get very weak over time anyway. And, like badboy, I couldn't recommend using Sharpie. Those figures are in reasonable condition; a little wear only adds to the charm!

Holy smokes, that is impressive, Kris! And it's all done with plates - it must take an awful lot of patience to put that together. I love how you've done the wall, and the big cedar tree. Wow.

Actually, defending Flit wouldn't have been a good move - Arjay's 'excuse' for going after Flit was that it would tell us a lot about your affiliation, after you'd defended him in PM. I'd have been a lot more suspicious of you if you had, and I might then have disregarded what you said about Cornelius. And then we might all have died. I'll stop being melodramatic now. I got that puzzle in a few minutes, but you still beat me to it. Then Panda, who usually gets up at 5am, came downstairs... and got it straight away. But that time it was too late.

Thanks so much for taking the time to feed back to us, Hinck. I'm sorry I insulted you, however unintentionally. I really was not thinking straight that day, and it didn't take much for Arjay to push me further in the wrong direction. I actually thought the frog was saying not to take the pictures of the true masons falling over too literally. Hear, hear! I couldn't agree more. Go Fooooooooooooooog! From my PM conversation with The Foog, in the midst of discussion: Yay! Everybody was suspicious of you, Ricey. But, right when we were worried about people not getting behind us to vote out batboy, up pops Ricey! You made some great voting decisions, and that's what kept you alive so long. Actually, I didn't get that one - I think that was the one The Foog got 10 seconds before me. What was he doing up at 5am too? Our 'Fire Fighting Fangy' PM thread has over 300 replies! I so missed you after you got killed My PM experience: (804 total) Fire Fighting Fangy - Rick - 305 Forest Fire - WhiteFang - 124 Stallion - iamded - 33 Forest Mafia - CorneliusMurdock - 55 The Forest - Fugazi - 60 Furry Temple - Fugazi, CM, WF - 5 Monkey Magic - Inconspicuous - 4 Welcome to the Masons! - Lord Arjay - 31 Masonic Temple - Hinckley, WF, Dragonator, Rick, Arjay, Cornelius, Fugazi - 14 Masons' Revenge - WF, Arjay - 14 The Frog Question - Draggy, WF, Rick, Arjay - 47 Arson Investigator - badboytje88 - 1 Badly burned bear - def - 30 Demons and Such - Draggy - 18 Night Results - def, Draggy - 31 Photographic Differences - Scouts - 11 Townsfolk Chat - I Scream Clone - 21 In addition to this were the Masons' writeboard, and the Character Info thread with Hinck. At some points I had 9 or 10 browser windows open, with a different conversation in every one. When I started a conversation, I tried to give it a memorable title, to avoid 'Ooops! Wrong conversation!' gaffes; if they were all 'Forst Mafia' or 'The Forest' I'd have been in trouble! Personally, I hate writeboards. I find them disconnected from the game, and it seems difficult to get a sensible discussion going in them: people don't seem to read them properly. Part of that is the problem with time zones, but also they seem to interfere with good teamwork - it's difficult to explain why. After Draggy was kidnapped I made an effort to keep discussions within separate PMs, which worked much better. Then there's the paranoia - you can't tell who's reading a writeboard, so if you're worried about infiltration, you have to abandon the board even if you think you've dealt with the infiltrator. They're essential for scum, but even then I don't like them.

Happy Birthday Iz! Hope you have a lovely day! (isn't it nice when you get a birthday thread from someone special )

jaredchan, that is absolutely stunning! Fantastic little details, and the overall design is superb. I love how you've done the interior of the arch - I'm sure many wouldn't have bothered with something that can't be seen easily from outside. And I agree with Boney: the use of dark tan really sets it off.

And mine was that you were waiting for the opportunity to use that wand on me! I was worried about you ever since the Cara day, Fooog. I was paranoid you'd not return on the last day, and even when you returned and voted, I asked Cornelius to block you in case there was another scum left... But in many ways it was you who saved the day (and certainly saved me from my own stupidity )

Thanks again, everyone! I had a lovely weekend away (marred only by mafia worries and a terrible internet connection). My haul: I've been after the FB for ages. The box of bricks will just be useful (I hope).

Rick is right here. He was the only one who knew I had a chain - no-one else knew. I played on this big-time. At the beginning of day 9, everyone was saying, 'who blocked the arsonist?' This did actually surprise me - there were many other reasons for the arsonist not striking - but I used it to my advantage, feigning ignorance of the blocker at first. Then when Cornelius convinced me he was town, I mentioned the blocker in the accusation of Scouty, hoping that people would think Cornelius had revealed he had a blocker action (or knew of one). I don't know whether this worked directly, but Arjay took the bait, and asked me if the blocker had inherited their action. I gave a deliberately ambiguous answer (which I'm sure he saw right through ), but it seemed to work in that the scummies must have been paranoid about being blocked again, and it lead to them taking out the other players (sorry, Ricey ) What I never figured is whether the scum themselves had a blocker, or at least an action that could block sometimes. Fangy was blocked night one, which we supposed was Zepher, but I'm not so sure - he was also blocked night 4 after Zeph was lynched. I was blocked night 7, but I figured that was with my own chain stolen from Draggy. I actually wondered whether Zeph was the poisoner who took out Pies.

Whew. I'm so glad it's over. Right to the very end I was expecting a last-minute unvote. I even woke up this morning paranoid that I'd got it wrong. Playing town is so much harder work than playing scum - you really have to keep your wits about you, and fully trust no-one. I've done nothing but mafia for the past two weeks, and it's been a long time since I've had a decent night's sleep. Arjay, you are a formidable enemy. Right to the end you fought hard, even though by then the odds were stacked against you. You nearly convinced me on that last day; you were right that my argument was pretty weak, but I just needed to keep you from convincing one of the others. This is a testament to Arjay's strength - on day 9, before the vote started, he sent me a massive in-depth analysis of Cornelius's and Scouts's comments and voting habits through the entire game. It really did make Cornelius look rather scummy. And he did indeed point out the clues pointing at scum infiltrating the masons. Arjay is a mafia master. The idea of framing Scouts to make him look innocent was inspired, and it would have worked had you not made the mistake of overestimating your enemy Inky, I guess your magic apple was a bomb. Once again we are denied the big KABOOM! Unless you count Shadows, that is I have to say a few thanks, and a few apologies. Thanks must go to my fellow masons, in order of recruitment: Fangy and Draggy, Rick, Arjay, Cornelius, and Fugazi. I'm sorry, guys, for the lack of trust, and for abandoning the writeboard which was just too difficult to organise. I realised that in order to maintain security I had to keep everyone's comments separate, and act as coordinator. This put a lot of pressure on me, and probably spoiled some of Hinck's fun. I even put fake night actions into a joint PM as I thought we had an infiltrator. Turned out I was right. And I wish I had trusted Fangy more early on - his instincts on who was trustworthy and who wasn't were spot-on A special thanks here to Rick. Rick was my rock, when I was a nervous wreck. Together we wracked our brains to avoid many a ruck. Rick put at least as much into this game as I did. I was so upset when Rick and Draggy were killed. But I guess I deserved that, after Werewolf. I must apologise firstly to the spectators. The game must have looked dead in places. I guess everyone was waiting for my big revelation. Some of the pauses were due to frantic PM action, some due to the evil of time zones (a real problem in this game); however many were simply due to paranoid uncertainty. Of course I must apologise to def. Sorry, def We really did agonise over what to do about you for days. In case people didn't realise, I tried to recruit def to the masons on night 4, when he had been framed; I didn't believe that the mason recruitment could be fooled like that, and unfortunately I thought that the only way to test this was to lynch def. I'm sure it's no consolation, but a number of good things came from this: it proved that Rick's revival action didn't revive people as scum, which was one of our fears; it revealed the framing action, and the fact that the masonic recruitment could be fooled into mistaking villagers for scum, and therefore the other way round. And mostly, it showed what a true townie's defence looked like, which was invaluable later when Cornelius defended himself as doggedly as def had. A big thanks to Hinck, for hosting this superbly presented confusing mindfuck of a game. And for taking ten years off my life expectancy! Who needs old age?? The narrative and pictures were top-notch, the humour priceless ... even though whilst Pandora was laughing at the hilarity of the Day Ten opening pics, I was staring at them in black despair... Finally, a big special thanks to my long-suffering wife, Pandora . Not only did she tolerate my endless pacing, my insufferable self-doubt, and my inability to tear myself away from The Forest during what was meant to be a romantic weekend away; she was also an invaluable ally: helping me decide whom to trust, and plan actions, and she was pivotal in solving those near-impossible anagrams. And all this while she had her own mafia troubles to contend with! My character role: Your voting pattern really was exactly the same as scummy Scouts! You have Arjay to thank for that. This probably saved you, Foog: you launched into a long attack of me via PM on the Cara day; whilst my allies were all screaming that the bodyguard (who was obviously you) must be scum, I figured there was no way you'd have continued to question me like that if you were scum. I wasn't given a choice. Who knows (maybe you'd have turned me into a turkey? ) But you could have won the game on night 9, if you'd killed Arjay like I asked Actually, I don't blame you. I even said to someone (it might have been Arjay ) that I wouldn't have used the wand if I'd been in your position.

Only after I told you to say it! But Portia was accused. It was the manner of Portia's private defence which convinced me. The only other person who presented such a strong, dogged defence, without resorting to insult or sarcasm, was Helen. I wish I had listened to her. Everything fits with Kaley being the jack of all trades ninja brown frog. The warnings of infiltration appearing after she was recruited, Cara's awareness of the Masons, buying time for kills by deferring the lynching of Bruno, the kidnapping of Edgar... try to arrange the pieces of the jigsaw any other way and they just don't fit.

Well thank you for revealing that the killing of the Baker and his wife was a scum move. I had assumed it was a narrative point only. In my view this clinches it: how could the scum have known to kill the Bakers if their mole was only recruited that night? So I'm correct about the Janitor and Kidnapper actions coming from the same source? Thank you. I had worked that out only after the pattern became clear, but it's nice to have it confirmed. I don't think Portia was likely to be convicted at that stage. And the original plan had been to focus on Bruno, as you know. I think you wanted to get people discussing Bruno early, so that he could reveal he'd been framed before it was too late, thus making him appear incontrovertibly innocent. But it was no risk if you knew Bruno was Ninja and couldn't be killed at night. And you were anxious to maintain your cover: I would have been more suspicious if you had sidestepped the issue. And you tried to persuade me to offer the vigilante a choice of killing Bruno or Gabby (whom you knew to be innocent). Yes if you knew she would be Janitored. As you've already confirmed that my deduction about your night role is correct: clearly you did know. As you well know, and did Portia, Edgar wasn't necessary for the protection to work. And Portia knew that Edgar wasn't protecting last night. But she didn't know he had the knife. I can't comment on what you might have said to other people, particularly if they're now dead. And it's the oldest scum trick in the book - to call out a list of suspicions, some scum, some not. It was subtle enough to evade the others concerned. 'A clue is a clue, not a giveaway'. Exactly what Portia said. Only she said it many times, in private and in thread: 'I am Village.' This is the first time you've said it.

The point in Portia's favour is not that 'the clue would be too obvious', but the temporal relationship. The warnings about the dire consequences of the temple being infiltrated appear after you were recruited, and before Portia was. How would God know the masons would recruit Portia? And I repeat - Portia was recruited and the Baker and his wife were killed the same night. Yes, you told me you found something weird about the clue of Bruno being late, but you wouldn't say what, only that it would be an extremely unsubtle clue if Bruno were the arsonist. Which, as it happens, he was. However, you knew why Bruno was late - he later explained this himself - he was framed, in what turned out to be an unsuccessful attempt to divert attention from him. Bruno pointed out that Helen was late, the morning after we had a 'demon' investigation result against her. Therefore, your idea was to suggest Bruno had been framed by him appearing late. You framed one of your own. This would have been a stunningly clever move, had you not factored in one thing - we hadn't yet noticed the relationship between framing of investigation results and people appearing late the next day. I only figured out the significance of the framing action after Bruno gave the game away. When we accused him, he immediately claimed he was framed. I doubt Bruno - who had contributed very little to the discussions previously - would have worked this out if he didn't already know about it. The Framer Day 2 - Brigit is late. Day 5 - Helen is late, and is found demon by investigation. Day 8 - Bruno is late. We were supposed to think he must have been framed, and therefore must be innocent. 'God's clues' are not 'God's' anything - they are a result of your action. As I said, accusing Portia and Bruno would serve no purpose other than to confuse people and potentially split the vote. As to the vigiliante killing Bruno, perhaps you had a way of blocking the vigilante, or perhaps you knew that Bruno couldn't be killed at night because he was also Ninja. You wanted to keep Bruno alive so that he could further thin down the numbers of innocent villagers. But you didn't know we had a blocker. And yes, you suggested going for Mindy first to gain information about Gilbert. But you knew that we wouldn't learn Mindy's alignment, didn't you? The Janitor Day 3 - no trace of Bristol. Day 6 - no trace of Sheldon. Day 9 - No trace of Mindy. The Janitor has been. I think you got lucky with Booker, yes. But the kidnapping of Edgar was carefully planned, allowing you to kill both Horace and Gabby in one night. What the kidnapping does is exonerate Portia, who didn't know Edgar had a knife. What possible benefit would she have in kidnapping Edgar if she were the brown frog? And this brings me nicely to: The Kidnapper Day 4 - Becka is missing, Felix is revived. Day 7 - Booker is missing, a knife handed to Bruno who uses it to kill Becka. Day 10 - Edgar is missing, his stolen knife used to slit Gabby's throat. And now the pattern becomes clear. A frame, a Janitor and a kidnapping every three nights. This, I believe, is your demonic action. Only with Bruno gone, you are now also a killer. When you joined, it would have been clear that the evidence against Cara was already mounting. To have defended her at this stage would have been more suspicious. Helen was an obvious choice for framing. She had already had suspicion cast upon her. You are being convicted through a careful analysis of events, and, as often happens at this stage of such circumstances, a process of elimination. It was obvious to you because you knew about it - because you are the infiltrator. It wasn't obvious to Portia or Edgar, who are trusting Townies. As to you bringing this to my attention, thank you for crediting me with intelligence, but you are crafty and you would have known that not bringing the subject up would look more suspicious. Let us hope it is not necessary. But we will decide our own actions, thank you.

Where is everyone? Oh yeah, they're all dead. ... Folks, I hope the end of this long dark road is drawing near. And we know what we must do today - we must lynch the brown frog. When I accused Portia yesterday, a few people pointed out a flaw in my argument. The flaw was this – if the brown froggy infiltrator was recruited into the Temple on night 8, that was a little quick for the demons to kill the Baker and his wife the same night. And the first inkling of the Baker couple being in any danger was revealed on day 7 just before Petey appeared. There was a recruitment to the Masons on night 6; there was not a recruitment to the Masons on night 7. Then, later on day 7, the evil cow Cara mentioned the Masons, apparently apropos of nothing. Gilbert asked yesterday how Cara could have known about the Masons on day 7, and I dismissed the question as irrelevant. But when you look at things from another perspective, it begins to look very relevant indeed. The Masons who were recruited before day 6 have all been irrefutably confirmed, and are mostly dead. There is only one person who could be the brown frog – the person we recruited on night 6. The person who, giving no good reason, persuaded me to campaign against Mindy in preference to Bruno on day 8, and then tried to paint Bruno as a confused townie - the same Bruno who turned out to be the creepy, shape-shifting Crow killer we all saw last night. This “Mason” was the only person apart from Edgar and myself to know that Edgar had a knife in his possession last night. And Edgar has been kidnapped, and the knife stolen and used to kill poor Gabby. Moreover, as I explained yesterday, it would take a Ninja to conceal their identity in order to be recruited to the Temple. A stealthy ninja murderer, who might well be able to torch Horace, knife Gabby and kidnap Edgar in one night. There is only one person the brown frog can be. Vote: Kaley Cat (Lord Arjay)

Thanks everyone! I'm off out now - been promised a trip to the LEGO shop And yes, Hinck, I am glad still to be alive!

Oh my. Brave Horace and Gabby. Horace, I'm glad you were proved right, and I'm sorry it had to be at such a cost. The women of Spring Haven will mourn. Triumph isn't the word I would have used. I'd have called it a disaster. But I guess it depends on your point of view. I have to ponder this some more. I'll return with my conclusions later.

Penguin, this review makes me laugh every time I read it. Not only is it hilarious, it's also informative, and beautifully presented. You've done a super job, and I'd recommend anyone to read this even if they're not interested in Belville. As for the set itself, I agree with your thoughts. I've been tempted to get some Belville for the interesting parts, but you are paying a premium for the large molds, and I don't think the big pink parts would be particularly useful. I think that's where Belville fails - it's too firmly in its own niche, so there's no appeal at all outside the target market.

Happy Birthday, blueandwhite! Hope you have a great day

Ok, some new information has come up, and it seems I've been misled. It seems Portia Poodle is not the brown frog we're looking for, and I believe she is probably a loyal member of the Village. Portia, I am sorry. Unvote: Portia Poodle (Cornelius Murdock) ... I had wondered why so many people were convinced the arsonist didn't strike last night because they were blocked, when there were several other reasons to explain the lack of arson action. However, it appears that there was indeed a block performed last night. The Case Against Bruno Bear Remember yesterday, when I said there were two people who had aroused my suspicions due to their voting habits? We chose to lynch Mindy Mouse, and unfortunately her alignment was not revealed. However, every argument I leveled against Mindy could also apply to one other - Bruno Bear. His voting pattern is pretty much identical to Mindy's. Additionally, we have the evidence that he was late in joining the village yesterday morning. You might not think that means much. Helen was late on day 5, and Brigit on day 2, and they were both later confirmed Villagers. However, both had night actions which had been helping the town. Bruno, however, has told me privately that he has no night action, so he has no reason to be late. And I have learned that Bruno Bear was the person who was blocked last night. This by no means confirms that Bruno is the arsonist, but I have been suspicious of Bruno for some time, and the blocking action adds weight to this. Arsonist or not, I am convinced he is up to no good, and likely to be a member of the Demon Legion. Vote: Bruno Bear (Scouts)

I can't go into details, but my understand is that this was a recruitment, which works when the target does not show as Demon. An investigation would most likely have failed, the way it did with Cara. That I don't know, but it is possible that the Demon Legion knew about the Masons from early on, through deduction; however, the conversation between the Bakers and Marcellus before Petey appeared was a pretty strong hint. But I don't see how this is relevant to the matter in hand.

The Mystery of the Brown Frog On day seven, we saw the brief existence of Petey Panda. During that interlude, the Baker and his wife told Marcellus how they were protected from Daxia - they were protected by the Temple so long as it wasn't infiltrated by the Demon Legion. This morning we saw the horror that had befallen our brave, beloved Baker couple. This can mean only one thing - that the Temple has indeed been infiltrated. There has been mention before of the Masons - Cara Cow tried vainly to paint the Masons as some kind of third faction, when I know for a fact that they are indeed confirmed Villagers working for the good of the town. Cara was found to be a member of the Demon Legion, having earlier appeared immune to investigation, in the manner of a Ninja as I mentioned that day. So it appears that the Demon Legion have found a way to infiltrate the Masonic Temple: or, to put it another way, the brown frog has found a way into the green frog club. How did the frog do that? It painted itself green, appearing Village when in fact it is a Demon Ninja. So who is this brown frog? Last night, the masons recruited Portia Poodle to the temple. This morning, the Baker and his wife are dead. It is essential we remove this evil interloper from a potential position of power. Vote: Portia Poodle (Cornelius Murdock)