ZCerberus

So that is 15 to 20 per side... how many decks are you going with?

Well the wheels are 2x2 'dishes' so they are connected to the cannon by using technic bricks. The stud on the top of the dish is connected to the whole in the technic brick. no... well... there are some swivel guns on the deck of the Sienna, but otherwise none.

Phred said I should put the little deck guns on the new covenant on here... they take up about the same amount of size as a regular cannon, but they worked pretty well on the Covenant!

If I had to choose myself I would say I like the 'playability' of the Arbiter II, the sails of the Covenant and the unique design and look of the Sienna. Overall though, I think I like the Sienna best, but some of what I don't like about the Arbiter II, I plan to fix. Those fixes... 1. New sails, similar to the ones on the Covenant. I also need to fix the sails between the masts... they were cut ouf of left over materials, but the new mast I am putting up and my experiences with the sails have guided me to figure out a better way to get them connected. 2. Longer hull, about 20 studs longer... I don't have a problem per say with the hull now, but longer hulls will get me up to 40 guns. 3. Exterior of stern cabin... I am not sure if I will be adding new square windows or several rounded windows, but it will be updated 4. Larger crew- I am going to make some plain ol' sailors to be on the ship with my soldiers. They will have a red and white scheme, but won't be armed (except for maybe carrying a required knife or hatchet). We'll see how it works out! 5. Name plate for back of ship (fancier than the one on the Sienna or Covenant). 6. Detail in lower deck. I am going to be adding some storage, and maybe a shot holder and galley. maybe even a small brig, but we'll see. The Sienna also will have a few minor fixes... 1. New Oar construction... simply a little sturdier with the same effect. 2. All rigging to use thin lift arms 2 long. Right now it is a hodgepodge of different lengths and thicknesses. 3. I may re-cut the sails out of canvas. It is stiffer than the current stuff, so it will hold its shape better.

Yes, I think three is the minimum distance, but 4 works for me too. In my last ship some were 3 apart, some where 4 so I have used both, even on one ship! 2 gets a little tight, especially when the wheels are touching!

Some one tattled on me? Well I can understand that someone external to the situation might join in and a whole mess of business could have come out of it. I guess I didn't consider it a big deal, but I could see how external pressures could have turned it into one. Anyhow, I just thought the conversation was taking on a less civil tone than I am used to in here, everyone appears to be trashing Norrington which I think is slightly unfair considering that I am not sure I can completely disagree with him... I think he is partially right, there does seem to be a favoritism to the pirates on some level from the LEGO

Status update... Waiting on 1 Anchor, 1 hook, and a couple dozen gun ports. While I wait, perhaps a little look at my three ships to see which one best uses the color scheme of my fleet... I like all of them in their own right, but I think the Covenant is done a disservice by not having a Lego hull piece with two colors on it. Maybe the ones from the SES would look better... or maybe not... Anyhow, which implementation is best? New Covenant -- color fades from black to dark gray to red, then back again, black is transitioned in on upper deck Old Versions----> BrickShelf Folder Arbiter II-- red and dark gray on lower deck, mostly black with thin red stripes upper deck Old Versions----> BrickShelf Folder Sienna-- black with gray stripe on lower deck, mostly red with thin black stripes on upper deck Old Versions----> BrickShelf Folder

Well Pirating in the general ship used in connection with crime... What does one classify pirating as? They do plenty of salvaging and robbing and stealing... and people are CONSTANTLY trying to rob them even on their ship in space. They have no weapons on the ship itself though, so they smuggle and use stealth more than they do piratical activities while in the skies. I guess it is the addition of a ship of sorts, even if it is not the traditional sail boat that makes their activities piratical as well as outlawish. I guess it is more Wild West outlawish, in the types of jobs, like knocking off trains and such, but as soon as you through a ship in there, it seems a little more like pirating, even if it is more in the science fiction sense of the word.

just saying... Yeah something like that. I knew you would appreciate it.

... Bricklink... ;-)

Wow and you lectured me for freaking out on a Canadian... Anyhow I do think the Pirates got a little more favortism from the LEGO

Off topic, but Firefly is an AWESOME series. I was sad that it was ended in the first season. I mean it was Space meets pirates meets wild west, could they have made anything cooler?!? Also the windows would have been impossible to make out of sidewise turned panes as the window frame is not square... it is 4 wide and only 3 tall.

I don't recall saying there would be two thumbnails... I said a link... bonepart number the MOCS in the landbased mocs, numbers can be links as easily as thumbs can. Like I said, I would imagine it would be a lot... or maybe even too much work, it was just an idea because some people maybe Lego savvy without being computer savvy!. I do think the tutorial is a good idea, but I wonder if it is too hard for some users... I mean it isn't daunting and is well explained, but some people just probably won't be able to follow.

I reposted the above pictures with the changes... What do you think of it now? It is much less distracting, but I don't think it is perfect... hmm...

I am trying to figure out how I should handle it. I don't think the solution should be to just replace the gray though... the ship goes from Black to Dark Grey to Red to Dark Gray to Black from the fore to the stern, which I like, but I would agree that the gray on the back is a little much... I might have a solution, check back later tonight! I think I should keep some of the gray but replace more of it with Red. We'll see if that helps it out!

Yes, I am not completely satisfied with the gray on the back either... it works on some levels, but looks a little odd... it looks pretty good from the back, but awkward from the side.

Really? I kind of like the KK helmet... it is one of the only things in KK that I do like!!

Yes Mr. Tiber I would agree. I also think the top Gallants aren't quite where I want them... I am working on trimming and making them look as I would like them too, I am close!! EDIT: I fixed them and they are reflected in the above pictures... here are the thumbs to the new and old pics with the different jibs (and top gallants)

Okay so here it is with the sails. I am still missing a few pieces, but it is nearly complete!

Heehee, I am sure you new job entails a lot of work and it is probably hard to read every posts. I can see how a MOD would end up focusing on pictures!

I didn't take any, I was waiting until I had put the sails on!!. Now Mr. Tiber, it is good you have become MOD and are active, but you should at least READ the post with the pictures you are talking about! It says they needed to be dyed, so they were drying when I snapped the first bunch!

Okay, so here are some new pics with the new color scheme. I am still missing some parts I didn't have access to, like a few gun port covers, and anchor, and a hook for the crane. You will also notice several missing sails. They are dyed, but they aren't yet dry. I will post new pics when they are on... I promised I would lighten up on the number of pics... so here are the links to the others...

The masts look legit... they are black versions of the ones on the viking boats. but there is something strange with the windows.

As I mentioned in the landbased mocs... maybe we could and should just supply the link directly to the main EB threads!

Agreed. But we can always have MULTIPLE POSTS in a single thread with the different sub topics. So the Ship index could have the vignettes and ship accessories in new posts with some helpful text saying these are things such as 'Ship Accessories' and 'Vignettes'. Then obviously we could do the same thing for the Land based MOCS. Another suggestion... though I think it will be a bit of work for boneparte... what if in both Indexes, we had the thumbnail links to the brickshelf folders AND a link to the discussion thread here on EB if there is one? This would help if people wanted to talk about a ship or MOC in the index without everyone starting 900 new threads for things we've already talked about!