The University of Petraea's Doctorate of Historica Program

[gedren_y]

I am claiming Anthropology: life in Kaliphlin - 1 credit for Goings on at the University.

Later I will take the time and go through all of the pending credits still needing votes.

[Kai NRG]

I'm happy to say I just got my Tradesman (Bachelor) degree in Geography!

Stranded - Oceanside or River Scene

A Day on the Mud - Swamp

Micro Village - The Start of Auner - Mountains or Cliffs (plus three other's for this build, the rest were standalones)

Picnic! - Grasslands

One more Tradesman to go, and Kai will start signing herself off as Master... (Just kidding!)

[Kai NRG]

Apologies for the double post, but now I've now got my Tradesman or Bachelor degrees in Architecture (which I believe is the largest subject) and Culture (which by contrast is admittedly the shortest!):

Architecture:

Duel in Kaliphlin - Advanced SNOT

Valyrian Trade - Life in Valyrio, City Scene, Still Water, Advanced Windows and Window Frames

SG: Main Gate - Wall Technique #1, Life in Kaliphlin

A Child's Dream - Wall Technique #2, Round Walls and Towers, Art

Ch. II Cat. B, dG Collab - Drafted - Wall Technique #3, Roofing #1, Roofing #2, Flowers and Dense Foliage Landscaping

SG - Shopping in Sultan's Gate - Roofing #3, Roof Rakes, Interior Design, Music

Culture:

A Child's Dream - Wall Technique #2, Round Walls and Towers, Art

SG - Shopping in Sultan's Gate - Roofing #3, Roof Rakes, Interior Design, Music

I am now I believe the first master Petraea University has produced?

[Bregir]

I would like to claim the following credits for my build the Kaliphlinite Market.

• Trade and Law
  
  • marketplace
    

  [*]Anthropology

  • life in Kaliphlin
    

[Wedge09]

I'd like to claim a credit for Agricolture and Zoology: raising livestock in Eddy the farmer's barn.

[BrickCurve]

I would like to claim the following credit, Curved tower, wall technique.

http://www.eurobrick...showtopic=99054

Edited August 20, 2014 by BrickCurve

[BrickCurve]

Another tower, this time i'm claiming for the roof technique.

http://www.eurobrick...showtopic=99327

[gedren_y]

I am claiming Architecture: Roofing (1 of 3) and Anthropology: City Scene for Nestlands Trading Post in Mpya Stedor.

[vitreolum]

Guess I'm joining the fun, will be a great challenge to try and complete this.

Would like to claim:

http://www.eurobrick...topic=99346&hl=

- advanced SNOT (wolf, not sure I got this one right)

- minifig posing

- battle scene

- brick-built animals 1/3

http://www.eurobrick...topic=99241&hl=

- trees 1/3

- studs up rocks and cliffs

- brick-built animals 2/3 + 3/3

Edited August 28, 2014 by vitreolum

[Kai NRG]

@vitreolum, your first build (though awesome!) is not technically a GoH build, since you posted it in a different forum, so I don't think you can get credit for that.

[vitreolum]

I believe I misunderstood this one. :))

"Can I use MOCs that I'm also building for another challenge or contest?

Yes, you can. This program is all about improving your building skills, and if you do some great work for a challenge or contest or whatever, and want to get credit for it, that's fine. But make sure that it's really a good example of the subjects and techniques."

Either way, I'm already late discovering this with my posted builds so I'll probably just start from here on.

Edited August 28, 2014 by vitreolum

[Kai NRG]

Okay, yeah. I see how that could happen. I guess the reference was to other challenges or contests (like Mount up!), but within GoH!

[vitreolum]

Yeah, realize now that I misinterpreted it.

[Kai NRG]

I'd like to claim credit for logging (Agriculture and Zoology) for my Over the Mountain... build.

[SarahJoy]

I'd like to claim credit for Architecture: Roofing (approved) and Architecture: Round Walls (denied) for my Mme Celeste Delivers Bad News build.

Edited September 7, 2014 by SarahJoy

[NiceMarmot]

I want to clarify a few issues within the Doctorate program. Below are the proposed clarifications; let me know what you all think.

1. Builds must be posted within the Guilds of Historica forum.

2. LDD builds are acceptable for DoH credit. However, judging of LDD builds will be at a higher level, as you are not constrained by your brick collection. So the judges should have higher expectations and criteria for LDD builds.

3. Regarding the roofing and wall subjects: The text "Each technique is a separate certification" means that each technique can be separately judged -- a judge could approve one technique and deny another, even in the same build. They are each different subjects as it were, and count towards the maximum of four subjects per build. However, the trees subject is just one subject, as is the brick-built animals subject, and they only count as one subject each towards the maximum, even though you (may) have to build multiple trees / animals. In fact, it is acceptable to spread these subjects over multiple builds, acquiring partial credit with each build -- there is no need to have all the different types of trees in one build. Just make sure you ask in your final build for final certification, and reference the previous builds. If you do spread them over multiple builds, they only count towards the maximum per build in the final build.

4. You may retract a requested subject, even after it has been denied, and request certification in a different subject in the same build. For instance, if you requested certification in advanced SNOT for a build, along with three other subjects, but get feedback that your SNOT is not so advanced after all, you can retract it and request a different subject for the same build, e.g. roofing.

Any feedback?

Edited September 5, 2014 by NiceMarmot

[SarahJoy]

I want to clarify a few issues within the Doctorate program. Below are the proposed clarifications; let me know what you all think.

1. Builds must be posted within the Guilds of Historica forum.

2. LDD builds are acceptable for DoH credit. However, judging of LDD builds will be at a higher level, as you are not constrained by your brick collection. So the judges should have higher expectations and criteria for LDD builds.

3. Regarding the roofing and wall subjects: The text "Each technique is a separate certification" means that each technique can be separately judged -- a judge could approve one technique and deny another, even in the same build. They are each different subjects as it were, and count towards the maximum of four subjects per build. However, the trees subject is just one subject, as is the brick-built animals subject, and they only count as one subject each towards the maximum, even though you (may) have to build multiple trees / animals. In fact, it is acceptable to spread these subjects over multiple builds, acquiring partial credit with each build -- there is no need to have all the different types of trees in one build. Just make sure you ask in your final build for final certification, and reference the previous builds. If you do spread them over multiple builds, they only count towards the maximum per build in the final build.

4. You may retract a requested subject, even after it has been denied, and request certification in a different subject in the same build. For instance, if you requested certification in advanced SNOT for a build, along with three other subjects, but get feedback that your SNOT is not so advanced after all, you can retract it and request a different subject for the same build, e.g. roofing.

Any feedback?

All proposed clarifications seem good-ish? 1 and 2 seem pretty straightforward.

1: Obviously, if you want credit within the Guilds of Historica, it needs to be a GoH build. If you built it for other purposes, and it also fits within GoH, that's fine, but it needs to have been posted here appropriately.

2. Yes.

3. This one seems like, "Well, isn't that how it's been done so far?" but I suppose it's good to clarify the standards. Aside from specifying when one reaches, say, the last of tree or roof builds, I thought this was the status quo.

4. This is an interesting one. Option to retract seems good, but allowing a person to then (after being denied a specific credit) pursue a different credit seems both a bit desperate on the part of the builder, and unnecessary work on the part of our esteemed UoP evaluators.

edit: Perhaps this is only an option after an evaluator suggests pursuing a specific credit instead? Perhaps there's a limit to the number of total (approved AND denied) credits a person can claim on a single build?

All that said, I'm just a new builder, and as always, I yield to the more experienced opinions of other builders here.

Edited September 7, 2014 by SarahJoy

[BrickCurve]

UoP credits for- Dense foliage landscaping and studs up rocks and cliffs.

Whither isles tower http://www.eurobrick...83#entry1994477

Edited September 6, 2014 by BrickCurve

[vitreolum]

Credit for: roofing 1. wall technique - Tudor style. roof rakes, lighted builds

http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=99925

[Maxim I]

At NiceMarmot: I am still waiting on your point of view about my West Stedor MoC :) as I am on my mibilephobe, I can't put a link but you can find it somewhere at page 2 of the posted topics :)

[NiceMarmot]

4. This is an interesting one. Option to retract seems good, but allowing a person to then (after being denied a specific credit) pursue a different credit seems both a bit desperate on the part of the builder, and unnecessary work on the part of our esteemed UoP evaluators.

edit: Perhaps this is only an option after an evaluator suggests pursuing a specific credit instead? Perhaps there's a limit to the number of total (approved AND denied) credits a person can claim on a single build?

That's a good suggestion. I suppose that the problem with allowing pursuing a new subject is more that it will be hard for the builder to get reviewers to come back to the thread and re-review the build for the new subject. How about we limit the requests for new subject review to two per build?

Two more potential modifications:

5. Very large and diverse builds may request more than the standard maximum of four subjects. Each request will be reviewed individually by the Assistant Dean for the DoH Program (NiceMarmot) and/or the University President (SkaForHire), with input from the peer reviewers. In general, don't bother asking for an exception for builds that are smaller than two 32x32 baseplates.

6. When building for the content-related subjects, students should ensure that the build fully explores the subject. Since these subjects are not testing mastery of a building technique, students need to demonstrate instead that they can create a build that represents a well-thought-out and fully realized scene concerning the subject. Reviewers should expect that the build does not just present a small, standard representation of the subject.

Let's take the example of the crop-farming subject. Is it enough to show a farmer tending to a single plant? Perhaps, if the plant and scene were really exceptional, but most likely not. How about a row of crops, with a farmer and a scarecrow? That's getting better, and if very well done, it could be approved. How about several rows of different types of crops, with several farmers doing different tasks (one weeding, one harvesting, one planting), a scarecrow, a farm cart and horse, a barn, and some good landscaping. Assuming the build quality is good, that is definitely a well-thought out build that well represents the subject, and would be easily approved.

[BrickCurve]

I would like to claim for Geography, Grasslands, Landscape Design, Dense foliage landscaping, Architecture, Round walls and Towers and Military Science, Fortification http://www.eurobrick...showtopic=99983

Edited September 27, 2014 by BrickCurve

[Kai NRG]

@NM, those modifications sound good! I agree that second time claims should be limited.

Oh, and I've now got the title of Doctor (which I believe is the first one):

Architecture Tradesman or Bachelor

Duel in Kaliphlin - Advanced SNOT

Valyrian Trade - Life in Valyrio, City Scene, Still Water, Advanced Windows and Window Frames

SG: Main Gate - Wall Technique #1, Life in Kaliphlin

A Child's Dream - Wall Technique #2, Round Walls and Towers, Art

Ch. II Cat. B, dG Collab - Drafted - Wall Technique #3, Roofing #1, Roofing #2, Flowers and Dense Foliage Landscaping

SG - Shopping in Sultan's Gate - Roofing #3, Roof Rakes, Interior Design, Music

Agriculture and Zoology Tradesman or Bachelor

Rounding up the Herd - Raising Livestock, Countryside Scene

Micro Village - The Start of Auner - Studs up Rocks and Cliffs, Crop Farming, Mountains or Cliffs

Over the Mountain... - Logging

Mount Up! Rhopalocera Lagargander (Giant butterfly) - Brick-Built Animals, Waterfall

Anthropology Tradesman or Bachelor

Rounding up the Herd - Raising Livestock, Countryside Scene

Valyrian Trade - Life in Valyrio, City Scene, Still Water, Advanced Windows and Window Frames

Oil for the Mitgardians - Snow and Ice, Shipping by Land, Life in Mitgardia

SG: Main Gate - Wall Technique #1, Life in Kaliphlin

Hydrology Tradesman or Bachelor

Valyrian Trade - Life in Valyrio, City Scene, Still Water, Advanced Windows and Window Frames

[GNAR] Battling the Waves - Waves, Minifigure posing

Ch. II Cat A - Lookout! - Underwater, Tree #1, Forced Perspective

Mount Up! Rhopalocera Lagargander (Giant butterfly) - Brick-Built Animals, Waterfall

Geography Tradesman or Bachelor

Stranded - Oceanside or River Scene

A Day on the Mud - Swamp

Picnic! - Grasslands

Micro Village - The Start of Auner - Studs up Rocks and Cliffs, Crop Farming, Mountains or Cliffs

Culture Tradesman or Bachelor

A Child's Dream - Wall Technique #2, Round Walls and Towers, Art

SG - Shopping in Sultan's Gate - Roofing #3, Roof Rakes, Interior Design, Music

[robuko]

Congratulations Doctor Kai! NM, I don't really have any view on the changes. I did approve one credit for a build that was posted outside GoH in the pirate forum, as I thought it was a legit claim. I can see the argument for allowing any build in history or pirate forums to claim credit as most of the MOCs could be repurposed as GoH easily. And I can see the argument against it too. Usually I zip it if I don't have a view but I might have set that rule change in motion so I just wanted to register my lack of view on it this time.

[NiceMarmot]

Congratulations, Doctor Kai! You really have been a building machine! Impressive.

So, now that you're a Doctor, do you think the program has helped? I mean, has it encouraged you to raise the level of your building, or at least to build using techniques and subjects that were outside your comfort zone?

I don't really have any view on the changes. I did approve one credit for a build that was posted outside GoH in the pirate forum, as I thought it was a legit claim. I can see the argument for allowing any build in history or pirate forums to claim credit as most of the MOCs could be repurposed as GoH easily. And I can see the argument against it too.

Yes, I can see both points of view on this one. I think the History forum is probably OK. Not sure about Pirate MOCs, unless the subject matter doesn't conflict with GoH (no cannons, guns, etc). In a way, if you post on the History forum, it will probably hurt your chances, as you'll have to post here, and get the reviewers to check out your build...